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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1351 Post by kubelkind » Wed May 05, 2021 10:05 am

Potemkine's previous Rivette blu rays (whose covers match these upcoming titles) do not appear to be English-friendly.
Slightly off-topic, but I'm excited to see that Potemkine have a blu ray of Hopper's "Out Of The Blue" forthcoming in December.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1352 Post by mhofmann » Wed May 05, 2021 1:59 pm

kubelkind wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 10:05 am
Slightly off-topic, but I'm excited to see that Potemkine have a blu ray of Hopper's "Out Of The Blue" forthcoming in December.
That was originally announced for (I think) this April, but then suddenly shifted to 31 December. I think that's just a placeholder date.

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#1353 Post by Calvin » Wed May 05, 2021 2:28 pm

Out of the Blue should also be released in the US and UK later this year. I think the producers have been pushing for a theatrical release from distributors prior to home video, hence why it has been continually delayed past the initial aim of the 40th anniversary last year.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1354 Post by Stefan » Sat May 15, 2021 3:46 am

Update: Secret Défense will have French subtitles only: https://store.potemkine.fr/dvd/35450200 ... t-defense/ and Haut bas fragile either none at all or Potemkine's product page has been badly maintained: https://store.potemkine.fr/dvd/35450200 ... s-fragile/

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1355 Post by furbicide » Sat May 15, 2021 9:43 pm

Not sure this is an update, per se – please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t these the exact same product pages that were up when you posted a couple of weeks ago?

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1356 Post by Stefan » Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 am

Update: I just received the Potemkine Blurays of Haut bas fragile and Secret Defense and may tell that they DO HAVE english subtitles (as well as some nice extras). The picture and sound quality is excellent. All in all, two splendid releases.
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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1357 Post by tenia » Thu May 27, 2021 10:42 am

I definitely need to send a reminder to Potemkine if people are getting their copies before me getting my review discs !

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1358 Post by Michael Kerpan » Thu May 27, 2021 10:59 am

Stefan -- Do you know whether other releases in this Rivette series have English subs?

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1359 Post by Stefan » Thu May 27, 2021 11:20 am

Michael - No, the other two Rivette release by Potemkine so far, "Le Pont du Nord" and "Jeanne la Pucelle", only have French subs. The same goes for "Duelle", Noroit" and "Merry-Go-Round" by Carlotta.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1360 Post by tenia » Thu May 27, 2021 11:46 am

The 3 movies released in France by Carlotta were released by Arrow in the UK and the US, so that's where you'll find English subs.

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#1361 Post by Michael Kerpan » Thu May 27, 2021 12:16 pm

Looks like at present , the shipping cost to the USA is about equal to the cost of these 2 blurays...

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1362 Post by feihong » Fri May 28, 2021 12:15 am

Stefan wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 am
Update: I just received the Potemkine Blurays of Haut bas fragile and Secret Defense and may tell that they DO HAVE english subtitles (as well as some nice extras). The picture and sound quality is excellent. All in all, two splendid releases.
Great to know! These arrived in the mail today, but I haven't had time to look at them yet. I'm very gratified they included the English subs, and that the quality is good.


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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1364 Post by dave1 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:16 am

Keep in mind that I haven't rewatched the whole film, but I've just sampled the Secret Défense blu and it no longer features the "fade to black -> cut to next shot" at the end of each day, as well as one instance of "cut to black -> fade in" once Bonnaire's character knows (part of the) truth. The fade to black that precedes the last shot is no longer there neither.
Now I wonder about the Histoire de Marie et Julien restoration, a film that also has a fade to black at the end of each of the 13 days the film encompases.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1365 Post by diamonds » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:29 am

dave1 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:16 am
Keep in mind that I haven't rewatched the whole film, but I've just sampled the Secret Défense blu and it no longer features the "fade to black -> cut to next shot" at the end of each day, as well as one instance of "cut to black -> fade in" once Bonnaire's character knows (part of the) truth. The fade to black that precedes the last shot is no longer there neither.
Now I wonder about the Histoire de Marie et Julien restoration, a film that also has a fade to black at the end of each of the 13 days the film encompases.
So what is there instead? Just straight cuts?

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#1366 Post by dave1 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:44 am

Yes, now they're all straight cuts.

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#1367 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:23 am

Strange. I wonder why they did this?

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1368 Post by barbarella satyricon » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:21 am

Michael Kerpan wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:23 am
Strange. I wonder why they did this?
Might it be for the same reason that lap dissolves in some restored films look really dodgy and seem to revert back to the original (faded and/or discolored) appearance of the source materials? Maybe the color grading of any given film restoration is not dynamically matchable in or across fades?

I remember way back with my first dvd copy of Vertigo, being miffed that the long lap dissolve between a shot of James Stewart in Elster’s office and a shot of his driving POV (if I’m recalling correctly) was replaced by a quick fade to black then back in. Never found an explanation about that one, and just guessing if this is something similar?

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1369 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:27 am

Is it possible for dissolves to be added in some print-making stage, and that they didn't replicate them here because the elements they used did not have the dissolves? For example, if the dissolves were made for the IP but not in the OCN. It's not conventional to do dissolves that way, but if a scenario for that is possible and feasible (albeit unorthodox), I could see that being the reason.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1370 Post by tenia » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:20 am

My understanding is that dissolves can be made at a later editing stage and thus not present on the original OCN. As such, when doing a restoration from such an OCN, they have to be digitally recreated. See for instance what happened with Eraserhead (and probably Elephant Man).
However, my understanding is also that if there was supposed to be a dissolve, well there should be one in the restoration except if someone technically related to the movie expressly requested not to. As such, it should then be considered a mistake (eg again Eraserhead and its Criterion disc which had to be replaced).

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1371 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:25 pm

If the final product released to the public had dissolves, it would seem that the final restoration product should have them as well. I find it rather shocking how careless "restorers" seem to have become.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1372 Post by tenia » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:09 pm

I don't think they became careless but rather that it's overall easier to spread the info when a mistak is caught.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1373 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:35 pm

This is unfortunate, I think the dissolves add a lot to the lyrical rhythm of the film's mystification. Perhaps they'll be corrected on the inevitable Cohen disc?

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1374 Post by dave1 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:21 am

My feeling is that the fades weren't in the OCN, since the movie's length now is the same. Having said that, I believe they were intended to be added afterwards, seeing how the film now ends with a weird jump cut.

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Re: Jacques Rivette

#1375 Post by Stefan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:13 am

@ Dave1
Your observation about the missing "fade outs" is splendid. I myself must have watched "Secret Defense" some 15 times since its release in 1998 (my goodness, how long ago that is) and did not notice that (all but negligible) detail on the Potemkin release. Shame on me, hats off to you.

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