Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3351 Post by Drucker » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:32 pm

I interviewed several people recently for a piece I've written that generally tackles this subject. I learned that there was an audio effect missing on every home video edition of Don't Look Now until the recent 4k. It was only corrected because Nicolas Roeg observed the error while viewing the new restoration, which then led to fetching an original release print from the Paramount vaults where they discovered he had been right.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3352 Post by ChunkyLover » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:59 pm

When it comes to audio, labels will just generally use whatever the studio supplies and/or uses audio from an old master instead of doing a new scan of the best surviving sound element.

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#3353 Post by PfR73 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:08 pm

captveg wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:32 pm
Kino is unlikely to force their hand.
As I've gotten this type of excuse first-hand from labels multiple times (re: Twilight Time's Love Is a Many Splendored Thing having an audio drop-out and Heaven & Earth being an upscale with visible jaggies, Shout Factory's Red Dawn missing the chronological month captions, KL's The Interpreter having dissolves where there should be straight cuts), you're probably right that they'll just throw up their hands and blame the studio, but what I can't understand is why these labels don't have it in their contracts that the studios are required to provide them error-free materials, and if an error is discovered, then the studio has to correct it.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3354 Post by andyli » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:30 pm

If they are ever going to fix this and offer a replacement program, could they also fix the audio commentary? I listened to it the other day and apparently the person who recorded the comments left the background sound (the audio of the film itself) on, and when Kino placed the track onto the video stream they left a mismatch of timestamp (for about 1 second). Normally I wouldn't mind this, but since the recorder left the background sound on, you get to hear the background sound twice in very short interval just like a weird echo effect. Very uncomfortable.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3355 Post by Drucker » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:42 am

Good the Bad and the Beaver. Dare I say...this looks pretty great?

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3356 Post by hearthesilence » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:34 pm

Check out Clint's sun-scarred face in all its glory!

Jesus, I hope the audio's fine, because it looks like they may slammed this out of the park - crossing my fingers, because I've been planning on getting this.

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#3357 Post by Maltic » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:24 pm

Apparently, there was quite a lot of fan involvement in preparing this release (albeit fans with some relevant professional background)... i.e. KL listened.

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#3358 Post by tenia » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:00 pm

The color corrections look way more convincing than whatever they tried to do for their previous BD release. I hope they fixed the extra features encodes, though.

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#3360 Post by Drucker » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:23 pm

Beaver review also indicates that the new 4k disc includes a blu-ray with the new color timing.

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#3361 Post by black&huge » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:23 pm

I was going to pass because of the no HDR but then I saw those beav caps and figured even if it's a 4k I'm perfectly fine owning at as a blu-ray if that makes sense but the actual blu that comes with it has the new resto. Either way I should just own this and put in my preorder right after seeing the review.

Did KL ever give an official reason why no HDR was applied? and this is gonna be a very open question but for those more technically inclined and giving your best guess given how the caps look... how much better do you think it could/would have looked if given HDR?

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3362 Post by Drucker » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:29 pm

The basis of the restoration was done in 2014, was there even HDR at that time?

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3363 Post by Ribs » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:56 pm

There is no HDR master available and Kino was not in a financial position to create one. I wish Kino didn’t create this hostage situation of “we’re not sure there’s enough interest to release titles in 4K” and then cheaping out on stuff like that so I need to either send the signal I’m not interested in 4K or that I am perfectly happy for them to so a SDR release which I don’t think is a good precedent to set.

Nevertheless, I got both Spaceballs and this direct from Kino bc I’m so sick of them complaining the demand isn’t there and will plan to do the same at release for their announced titles at least so as to vote with my dollar.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3364 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:12 pm

tenia wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:00 pm
I hope they fixed the extra features encodes, though.
I asked this on their Facebook poll a few months ago, and they said yes. Rather snarkily so, I might add.

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#3365 Post by cdnchris » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:15 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:Rather snarkily so, I might add.
I mean, are you all that surprised?

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3366 Post by black&huge » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:24 am

Ribs wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:56 pm
There is no HDR master available and Kino was not in a financial position to create one.
Maybe they should stop buying up licenses in bulk to release mediocre blu-rays and focus more on fewer but quality releases :lol:

but hey at least TGTBATU looks good for what they had

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3367 Post by tenia » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:08 am

Drucker wrote:The basis of the restoration was done in 2014, was there even HDR at that time?
It was, but this restoration just wasn't done in this workflow and it would have cost way more time money and resources to go back upwards in the workflow and redo stuff in HDR.
Though I guess they might have been able to add a later HDR pass, like Sony did with some of their restorations.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3368 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:10 am

cdnchris wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:15 pm
flyonthewall2983 wrote:Rather snarkily so, I might add.
I mean, are you all that surprised?
Not whatsoever

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3369 Post by captveg » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:06 pm

More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

Avalanche (1978) (BD) (DVD still available)

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3370 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:32 pm

captveg wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:06 pm
More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

Avalanche (1978) (BD) (DVD still available)
One of the worst films I’ve ever seen. An OOP title that won’t be missed!

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3371 Post by barnyard078 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:48 pm

The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:32 pm
captveg wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:06 pm
More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

Avalanche (1978) (BD) (DVD still available)
One of the worst films I’ve ever seen. An OOP title that won’t be missed!
As it was included as an episode in Season 11 of Mystery Science Theater 3000, you are very much correct with your assertion!

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3372 Post by Maltic » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:13 pm

captveg wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:06 pm
More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

Avalanche (1978) (BD) (DVD still available)


This calls for a celebration!

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3373 Post by captveg » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:41 pm

More titles added to While Supplies Last sale:

Adios, Sabata
Avanti
Biggles: Adventures in Time
The Birthday Party
Blame It on Rio
The Blue Racer
The Burning Bed (Blu-ray Only)
Celtic Pride
Charly
City of Industry
Clambake
Deranged
F/X
Frankie and Johnny
The Holcroft Covenant
The Indian Fighter
The Indian Runner
The Monster That Challenged the World
Nightkill
Not as a Stranger
Original Gangstas
Platoon Leader / Soldier Boyz (Michael Dudikoff Double Feature)
The Return of Sabata
The Satan Bug
Savage Weekend
Sinbad of the Seven Seas
Spellbinder
Stone Cold Dead
Tales of Terror
Trapeze
Twice Told Tales
The Way West
The Whales of August
The Wilby Conspiracy
Yongary, Monster from the Deep

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3374 Post by captveg » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:28 pm

More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

At the Earth's Core (1976) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Avalanche (1978) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Avenging Force (1986) (DVD) (BD still available)
Bank Shot (1974) (DVD) (BD still available)
Blown Away (1994) (BD) (DVD still available)
Chamber of Horrors (1940) (DVD) (BD still available)
D.O.A. (1988) (DVD) (BD still available)
Don't Give Up the Ship (1959) (DVD) (BD still available)
F.I.S.T. (1978) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Finders Keepers (1984) (DVD) (BD still available)
For Love of Ivy (1968) (DVD) (BD still available)
The Last Command (1955) (DVD) (BD still available)
Lovers and Other Strangers (1970) (DVD) (BD still available)
The Magnetic Monster (1953) (BD)
Man of the West (1958) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Man with the Gun (1955) (DVD) (BD still available)
Miracles (1986) (DVD) (BD still available)
More Dead Than Alive (1969) (DVD) (BD still available)
The Package (1989) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Red Line 7000 (1965) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Ring of Bright Water (1969) (DVD) (BD still available)
The Scalphunters (1968) (DVD) (BD still available)
The Secret Invasion (1964) (DVD) (BD still available)
Topkapi (1964) (DVD) (BD still available)
True Confessions (1981) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
The Unforgiven (1960) (DVD) (BD also OOP)
Visit to a Small Planet (1960) (DVD) (BD still available)
Young Billy Young (1969) (DVD) (BD still available)

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With so many DVDs going OOP so rapidly I wonder if some library bought a bunch of titles over the weekend.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#3375 Post by captveg » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:55 pm

And just since that last post:

More OOP based on previously being in the "While Supplies Last" sale and now no longer appearing on the website:

Avenging Force (1986) (BD) (DVD also OOP)

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