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Re: Gosford Park

#26 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:31 pm

Jesus, forgot martyr-complex Mel was the one who presented it.

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Re: Gosford Park

#27 Post by dda1996a » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:29 am

domino harvey wrote:
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Three commentaries, what is this, the Rules of Attraction? I'm increasingly cooling on Altman overall as a director I care much about apart from Nashville and California Split, but this is one of his better efforts. I still find it bizarre that the same year this was nommed for Best Pic / Best Director et al, the narrative was that Ron Howard was owed an Oscar!
Altman's 70s run is pretty spotless, while his two 90s pictures (Short Cuts and The Player) are also wonderful. Haven't really seen his 80s output but what 70s auteur aside from Allen, Spielberg, Kubrick and maybe Scorsese wasnt flatlining in that decade

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Re: Gosford Park

#28 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:04 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:29 am
Altman's 70s run is pretty spotless, while his two 90s pictures (Short Cuts and The Player) are also wonderful. Haven't really seen his 80s output but what 70s auteur aside from Allen, Spielberg, Kubrick and maybe Scorsese wasnt flatlining in that decade
Two 90s pictures? He made 7 in that decade. I've seen everything by Altman except for Countdown, Beyond Therapy and Aria, and I dearly love him but I think about a third of his output is good/very good to extraordinary, and the rest tends to be at the other end of the spectrum, from the mediocre (That Cold Day in the Park, A Perfect Couple, OC & Stiggs, Fool for Love, Cookie's Fortune, The Company) to the dreadful (Quintet, Popeye, Pret à Porter, Dr. T, The Gingerbread Man), but with the saving grace of eccentricity which makes even most of those lesser works interesting. (By comparison, I appraise Spielberg's output similarly, but I'd say the ratio is more like a quarter.)

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Re: Gosford Park

#29 Post by dda1996a » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:08 pm

I know he made more than two, but not having seen them all and the other few I've seen but the two I mentioned weren't good. OC & Stiggs is just incredible for how awful the film is compared to Altman's skill and his penchant for long takes (ditto Pret-a-Porter).

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Re: Gosford Park

#30 Post by Big Ben » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:02 pm

I knew a guy who defended OC and Stiggs like it was his own child. Not at all familiar with this though. I am however familiar with it's writer Julian Fellowes as my parents were/are Downtown Abbey fanatics. I doubt this film is pomp and circumstance like that though?

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Re: Gosford Park

#31 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:05 pm

This movie and Fellowes' win is why Downton Abbey exists, so

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#32 Post by knives » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:57 pm

With Altman I find that each of his films individually are so eccentric that no two people are going to like the same set of films in the same order making it even harder to talk about him in the broad sense then most other directors. While I'm probably more to the Dom side of things, though I'd probably raise it to about five great films, that particular quality also makes it hard to bag on people who like his films even the ones I find so completely without merit that I'm I'm repulsed by their praise.

For example, rather eccentrically I'd call this one of Altman's best, easily, with the Fry cameo working quite well for its intended purpose even as I wouldn't call it a make or break it part of the film. Also my favorite is Brewster McCloud which probably takes all credibility from me.

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Re: Gosford Park

#33 Post by colinr0380 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:00 am

I find the Stephen Fry cameo a bit more interesting than I did at first, where it just felt irritating and entirely irrelevant to the rest of the film by seeming a bit too considered in order to get the characters spilling their dark secrets about each other. But these days I kind of think of that cameo role as perhaps similar to Whoopi Goldberg's detective in The Player, as a kind of outside force ready to prick the hermetically sealed bubble of the other characters and let the outside world in for perhaps the first time. Even if in both cases they never actually do that and end up feeling a bit susceptible to starry-eyed corruption themselves!

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Re: Gosford Park

#34 Post by dda1996a » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:32 am

knives wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:57 pm
With Altman I find that each of his films individually are so eccentric that no two people are going to like the same set of films in the same order making it even harder to talk about him in the broad sense then most other directors. While I'm probably more to the Dom side of things, though I'd probably raise it to about five great films, that particular quality also makes it hard to bag on people who like his films even the ones I find so completely without merit that I'm I'm repulsed by their praise.

For example, rather eccentrically I'd call this one of Altman's best, easily, with the Fry cameo working quite well for its intended purpose even as I wouldn't call it a make or break it part of the film. Also my favorite is Brewster McCloud which probably takes all credibility from me.
I'd say it takes some credibility off. It'd a great and odd movie that I like but is in no way as good as the surrounding films from the 70s he made (i.e McCabe, Long Goodbye and Nashville)

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Re: Gosford Park

#35 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:40 am

I have no quibbles with all the recognised masterpieces with 3 women vying with Long Goodbye at the top of the tree but admit to adoring Popeye and find it the most endearing re-creation of a comic strip character and world in classic live action terms .Shelley Duvall was born to play Olive and Van Dyke Parks` arrangements of Nilsson`s songs the cherry on the gateau. Would also love to see Kansas City in a loaded blu release. On the downside Pret a Porter is like walking barefoot through cat sick. As for Gosford Park the interplay between upstairs and downstairs is exquisite until the arrival of Fry`s farcical character like a wrecking ball demolishing all that painstakingly contrived architecture.

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Re: Gosford Park

#36 Post by knives » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:39 am

Popeye's another absolutely fabulous film. I think I just prefer Altman outside of reality, though The Company is my favorite of his late films.
dda1996a wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:32 am
knives wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:57 pm
With Altman I find that each of his films individually are so eccentric that no two people are going to like the same set of films in the same order making it even harder to talk about him in the broad sense then most other directors. While I'm probably more to the Dom side of things, though I'd probably raise it to about five great films, that particular quality also makes it hard to bag on people who like his films even the ones I find so completely without merit that I'm I'm repulsed by their praise.

For example, rather eccentrically I'd call this one of Altman's best, easily, with the Fry cameo working quite well for its intended purpose even as I wouldn't call it a make or break it part of the film. Also my favorite is Brewster McCloud which probably takes all credibility from me.
I'd say it takes some credibility off. It'd a great and odd movie that I like but is in no way as good as the surrounding films from the 70s he made (i.e McCabe, Long Goodbye and Nashville)
McCabe by the way is the popular film of his which I find absolutely unlikable and obnoxious on every single level so we're likely never going to agree on this topic, but that was my point.

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Re: Gosford Park

#37 Post by colinr0380 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:16 pm

I really like The Company as well, especially for the way that it apparently involved a quite close collaboration with Neve Campbell, who had a background in dance, and for the way that that the stagings cycle through a number of different styles of dance (modern, abstract, ballet and so on) throughout its course. It also makes an interesting pairing with Pret-a-Porter (which like Nabob I have qualms about the broadness of), because they both end with a big subversive climactic staging of an event that kind of suggests that it is not what is occurring on stage that matters but the audiences reaction, in this case to a big storm occurring during an outdoor performance. Weirdly it could be seen to tie in with the end of Nashville and the deus ex machina finale of Dr T as well!

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