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Re: The Mike D'Angelo Thread

#101 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:08 am

The twitter responses were pretty much all just as stupid as D'Angelo's tweet.

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#102 Post by dda1996a » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:15 am

To be honest I missed it at first but once he said look at the subtitles it was really easy to figure out. I kinda get him. Made it more fun actually to figure it out myself.

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#103 Post by tenia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:36 am

It does, but on the other hand, it would have taken him 4 tweets less to just answer the title of the movie.

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#104 Post by swo17 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:51 am

He answered the title of the movie in his first tweeted response

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#105 Post by dda1996a » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:43 am

I don't get why everyone's making a big deal out of this, honestly. I get the enjoyment out of letting others figure out what the film is, especially as he said, the subtitles include all the information needed. I don't see why he's being judged so much for it. Yeah he didn't answer straight away, so what?

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#106 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:45 am

Fun fact: when viewing those screen caps on mobile, the name of the film is obscured by Twitter stuff, so I think this gained traction because to many people reading it looked like he DIDN’T say the name

EDIT: For those not on mobile:

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#107 Post by MichaelB » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:05 am

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I don't get why everyone's making a big deal out of this, honestly. I get the enjoyment out of letting others figure out what the film is, especially as he said, the subtitles include all the information needed. I don't see why he's being judged so much for it. Yeah he didn't answer straight away, so what?
Because instead of answering a perfectly polite question (unusually polite for Twitter, in fact) with the actual answer, he decided to play the condescending Comic Book Guy card and then doubled down on it ("it's really not that hard"). You can pull off something like this if you do it playfully, but he was just plain rude - and quite needlessly so. ("What do you mean you don't immediately know? Well, watch it again and work it out for yourself; I'm not going to help someone who's so obviously an idiot.")

And the problem here, as many have pointed out, is that this behaviour absolutely epitomises a certain kind of lofty film snobbery that drives normal people up the wall. And D'Angelo, to put it mildly, has previous form.

I don't think it's at all astonishing that people might not recognise The Marriage of Maria Braun or even be familiar with the title. I'd hazard a guess that this applies to the overwhelming majority of the English-speaking world. Yes, it was once quite big in art-film circles (forty years ago), it had a decent rep life and a comparatively small number of people have more recently discovered it on DVD and Blu-ray - but I guarantee that if you were to walk down the street right now and ask twenty people to even place the title, you'd get a 5% response at best unless you're very selective about where you go.

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#108 Post by tenia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 am


domino harvey wrote:Fun fact: when viewing those screen caps on mobile, the name of the film is obscured by Twitter stuff, so I think this gained traction because to many people reading it looked like he DIDN’T say the name.
That's indeed my case, hence my remark.

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#109 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:27 am

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I don't think it's at all astonishing that people might not recognise The Marriage of Maria Braun or even be familiar with the title. I'd hazard a guess that this applies to the overwhelming majority of the English-speaking world. Yes, it was once quite big in art-film circles (forty years ago), it had a decent rep life and a comparatively small number of people have more recently discovered it on DVD and Blu-ray - but I guarantee that if you were to walk down the street right now and ask twenty people to even place the title, you'd get a 5% response at best unless you're very selective about where you go.
I suppose that Criterion releasing the BRD Trilogy this month on Blu-ray might have suggested it would be in the consciousness of those following a film critic on Twitter more than usual, but perhaps not.

That reminds me that last month I inadvisedly told a couple of co-workers that I might be going to see Werner Herzog do a talk in Sheffield and was faced with blank looks. The situation only became worse when I inarticulately tried to explain who Werner Herzog was and now am just seen as the weirdo who likes strange films where people drag boats over mountains.

But it was Werner Herzog for goodness sake! Imagine if I had tried to explain Fassbinder's unique qualities!

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#110 Post by tenia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:11 am

I'm known amongst my friends and colleagues as the guy who probably is making these directors' names up on the fly, since there's no way Apichatpong Weerasethakul is legit.
Imagine when I told them my H1 2019 catchup was composed of the latest movies by Serguei Lonitza, Pawel Pawlikowski, Hirokazu Kore-eda, Lee Chang-dong and Kirill Serebrennikov (no joke, these really were the top movies I missed in theaters and absolutely wanted to catch back on video).
But they're vastly used to my arthouse-y and back-catalogue tastes and I have found ways to make them way less weird in my explanations.

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#111 Post by MichaelB » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:15 am

Thanks to being married to an out and proud cultural philistine and having two teenage kids who have zero interest in the New German Cinema (to the point of being utterly unaware of such a thing ever existing), I have a very good sense of what I can get away with saying and what I can't (at least without avoiding ridicule).

And one advantage of being an eastern European specialist is that in the vast majority of circles (even film-buff ones) I can't assume that people will be familiar with what I'm talking about. In fact, I'm about to record a commentary for an Anglo-Czech film for Indicator, and I'm acutely aware that I cannot sensibly assume any upfront knowledge of Czech cinema or culture, so I'm working out how to pitch it without needlessly spoonfeeding that small minority of listeners who'll have at least some basic knowledge.

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#112 Post by dda1996a » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:36 am

I don't want to defend him too much, because I've seen him be an Asshole more than a few times. But if you're following a film critic, watch a clip he uploaded, where he even comments later that it is Fassbinder, and all you need to do is watch it again doesn't seem like too much to ask. I even posted in that thread thinking because he spoke of Alexanderplatz a day before that this might be it, only for him to comment I should probably look over it again didn't get me angry (I've seen only Lola from Fassbinder so far). I thought he was rather decent here.

Anyway, Michael, I think it depends really on what information. Even if it's something well known to Czech cinema lovers, I'd say if it's worthentioning anyway, then do it. I don't mind hearing a small tidbit of info in a sea of new information. And it's always on the quality of the speaker as well. I've listened to Tony Rayns speak on HHH more than once and I could listen to Rayns endlessly, even when I am familiar with most of the info.

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#113 Post by Jack Kubrick » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:39 pm

After the fiasco spreading across Film Twitter, D'Angelo has set his Twitter account private.

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#114 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:50 pm

I would give this about a 51/100 on the fiasco scale

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#115 Post by MichaelB » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:21 am

MichaelB wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:05 am
Because instead of answering a perfectly polite question (unusually polite for Twitter, in fact) with the actual answer, he decided to play the condescending Comic Book Guy card and then doubled down on it ("it's really not that hard"). You can pull off something like this if you do it playfully, but he was just plain rude - and quite needlessly so. ("What do you mean you don't immediately know? Well, watch it again and work it out for yourself; I'm not going to help someone who's so obviously an idiot.")

And the problem here, as many have pointed out, is that this behaviour absolutely epitomises a certain kind of lofty film snobbery that drives normal people up the wall. And D'Angelo, to put it mildly, has previous form.

I don't think it's at all astonishing that people might not recognise The Marriage of Maria Braun or even be familiar with the title. I'd hazard a guess that this applies to the overwhelming majority of the English-speaking world. Yes, it was once quite big in art-film circles (forty years ago), it had a decent rep life and a comparatively small number of people have more recently discovered it on DVD and Blu-ray - but I guarantee that if you were to walk down the street right now and ask twenty people to even place the title, you'd get a 5% response at best unless you're very selective about where you go.
Now that D'Angelo has unlocked his account, I see that I owe him an apology - he DID in fact directly name the film in his original reply, something that's rather buried in the screencap version (although you can just about make it out under the icons at the bottom). Which I have to concede does change things a fair bit.

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#116 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:53 pm

If he did identify the film -- why was he attacked in the first place? Strange.

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#117 Post by MichaelB » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:57 pm

Yes, that's why this whole exchange was so weird, and why I actually share D'Angelo's bafflement that it escalated to such an extent. I've seen a lot of obnoxious behaviour from cinephiles along precisely the lines that he was accused of, but in the light of the fact that he did unambiguously answer the question first time round his subsequent tetchiness makes much more sense!

Although it was probably a tactical error to hide his comments, as it meant that all we had to go on was the screengrab - and while the evidence that he did name the film is present there too, it's not obvious at a casual glance, and I'm far from the only one who missed it.

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#118 Post by furbicide » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:39 am

MichaelB wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:05 am
dda1996a wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:43 am
I don't get why everyone's making a big deal out of this, honestly. I get the enjoyment out of letting others figure out what the film is, especially as he said, the subtitles include all the information needed. I don't see why he's being judged so much for it. Yeah he didn't answer straight away, so what?
Because instead of answering a perfectly polite question (unusually polite for Twitter, in fact) with the actual answer, he decided to play the condescending Comic Book Guy card and then doubled down on it ("it's really not that hard"). You can pull off something like this if you do it playfully, but he was just plain rude - and quite needlessly so. ("What do you mean you don't immediately know? Well, watch it again and work it out for yourself; I'm not going to help someone who's so obviously an idiot.")

And the problem here, as many have pointed out, is that this behaviour absolutely epitomises a certain kind of lofty film snobbery that drives normal people up the wall. And D'Angelo, to put it mildly, has previous form.

I don't think it's at all astonishing that people might not recognise The Marriage of Maria Braun or even be familiar with the title. I'd hazard a guess that this applies to the overwhelming majority of the English-speaking world. Yes, it was once quite big in art-film circles (forty years ago), it had a decent rep life and a comparatively small number of people have more recently discovered it on DVD and Blu-ray - but I guarantee that if you were to walk down the street right now and ask twenty people to even place the title, you'd get a 5% response at best unless you're very selective about where you go.
And yet I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve received responses of disdain or incomprehension for not having seen Top Gun or Game of Thrones, or not being aware of some ‘90s pop-cultural reference. “Normies” can be just as guilty of snobbery if not more so, in my experience.

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#119 Post by tenia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:29 am

Oh it can be even worse : I stopped watching GoT after its 4th season because I read the books already so got bored by the TV show, especially since it was arriving in storylines the books already got me bored with.
"What, you haven't seen the latest seasons ? What, you actually stopped because you... didn't like it ?"
Well yeah, it happens.

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#120 Post by dda1996a » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:33 am

I quit after The Red Wedding and seeing everyone complain about the last two seasons made me a bit happy inside that I quit early

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