Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1126 Post by TechnicolorAcid » Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:46 pm

Gabriel Over the White House

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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1127 Post by Black Hat » Sat Mar 09, 2024 2:55 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:49 pm
Black Hat wrote:
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La Cava, in my view, is the most underappreciated director of the studio system.
I've loved everything I've seen from him, but that's only his four 'top' features on LB (Stage D, 5th Ave G, My Man G, G over the WH). What else would you recommend?
On top of the ones already mentioned I'll add Primrose Path, The Affairs of Cellini and The Age of Consent. For whatever reason almost all of the films brought up TCM shows fairly often so keep an eye out.

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#1128 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:34 pm

Thanks, Black Hat!

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#1129 Post by Finch » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:53 am

The latest newsletter clue is for Island of Doomed Men (1940) with Peter Lorre, another Columbia Pictures/Sony title confirmed.

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#1130 Post by eerik » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:53 am

Cereal At Midnight interview with Sam Dunn

In the US, the ratio for titles that got 4K discs is 9 UHD to 1 BD. :shock: UK is closer to the previously reported 8 to 1.

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#1131 Post by rapta » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:37 pm

eerik wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:53 am
Cereal At Midnight interview with Sam Dunn

In the US, the ratio for titles that got 4K discs is 9 UHD to 1 BD. :shock: UK is closer to the previously reported 8 to 1.
I think he was saying the US sales are 90% UHD to 10% BD when both options are offered (i.e. Rollin, Ozploitation etc). So in short, he's questioning whether they bother with Blu-ray at all!

That said, he says UK is 80% UHD to 20% BD, which is still surprising, but shows they should maybe adjust the ratios. At the moment they tend to do 60% UHD to 40% BD, so maybe they should steer it to 70% UHD to 30% BD (or even 75% UHD to 25% BD). I personally am buying the BD as a) I don't have a 4K setup (just the player), and b) the BD is cheaper, but if I ever do get a 4K projector/display then I'll just double-dip on the standard edition 4K disc of the films I want to see in full 4K. So in the meantime, I appreciate they still offer Blu-ray LE as well as 4K UHD LE.

Of course, they could've done what Second Sight do and make their limited edition releases Dual Format (4K + Blu-ray) by default, and avoided any controversy. But I suppose then you might still have people moan about buying discs they don't need (I was that person when BFI started to do it, and Arrow too occasionally, but later bought the titles in sales/offers anyway).

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#1132 Post by MichaelB » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:07 pm

The BFI went dual-format BD/UHD once (for Full Circle), and I gather they got tons of complaints, so they haven't done it since.

The problem is, you don't "avoid any controversy" by doing that, because right now there's pretty much no viable way that a boutique label can avoid charging less than £24.99 RRP just for a UHD-only release, given current manufacturing costs (Sam touched on this in the interview). So if you're effectively forcing people to pay that amount - or possibly more, given the need to add a BD as well (and while they're cheaper to manufacture than UHD discs, they aren't free!) - when they have no interest in upgrading...

...well, there's your controversy!

Second Sight do ultra-lavish limited editions of well-known cult titles at prices a fair bit higher, which is presumably how they can afford to cover their manufacturing costs. But would, say, Two Orphan Vampires or Black Magic Rites have been viable at a £29.99 RRP or more?

(For the record, I'm not speaking on behalf of Indicator here; this is my own interpretation of the situation.)

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#1133 Post by rapta » Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:14 pm

Yes Michael, you're right, those titles you mention perhaps wouldn't have been as viable at £29.99 RRP as most collectors would be far more selective at that kind of price-point. £24.99 seems more reasonable at the moment for people collecting 4K (and £19.99 at the more reasonable end of things, speaking as someone who's perfectly happy with regular HD most of the time).

I suppose with BFI releasing Full Circle as dual format (UHD + BD) they decided to pool it into one release as it was quite a niche title compared to the other 4K titles they've done before and since (their only Flipside 4K title to date), but like you say the RRP was quite high for that and might have actually put some people off buying it. I certainly didn't grab it 'til it was quite a bit cheaper, but conversely I was actually willing to shell out for their now-cancelled Watership Down 4K when told it would have been dual format or nothing.

Therefore, I suppose it depends on the appeal of each title. Some of the more popular Rollin titles would have probably done good numbers as dual format (e.g. Fascination, The Night of the Hunted), but I understand most Indicator collectors want consistency across the range - not some titles as dual format but others on separate formats.

I wonder what Arrow's reasoning was for making Carlito's Way dual format, but not the case for other major Universal titles they've released since (Blackhat, Tremors 2) or just before (The Lighthouse, The Last House on the Left, Boyhood) which got individual 4K and Blu-ray releases. Similarly, Criterion have recently announced Raging Bull 4K here, but unusually haven't concurrently announced a regular Blu-ray edition as they usually have been doing since launching 4K titles in the UK. I suppose some of these might be contractually enforced, but perhaps they could also be testing out certain titles in terms of how well they might sell compared to doing individual format options.

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#1134 Post by MichaelB » Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:07 am

Since loads of people complained to the BFI about their dual-format BD/UHD release, it’s a racing certainty that other labels have received similar complaints - and it’s a perfectly valid point. There were similar mutterings about dual-format BD/DVD releases fifteen years ago, but the price differential was usually only a couple of quid, and the total RRP was rarely over £20, which appears to be the commonly-accepted threshold between “reasonable” and “expensive”.

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#1135 Post by tenia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:15 am

French perspective here : it's all a question of ratio, but I've seen people complaining about not being able to future-proof Carlotta's releases because they're doing separate UHD and BD releases, and I've seen other people complaining about Potemkine doing DF UHD/BD releases because they feel they're getting forced-sold discs they're not actively pursuing.

No surprise other labels will get flak no matter what they do (I'd prefer DF as I'm not - at least not at the moment - 4k able).

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#1136 Post by MichaelB » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:46 am

Absolutely - it's swings and roundabouts, and there's no right answer short of the label making every option available, but at a fair bit of additional expense to themselves.

But, to me, the argument "why should I pay a fair bit more money for a disc that I'm never going to use?" is ultimately more persuasive.

Things might change if the cost of manufacturing UHD discs substantially falls, of course.

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#1137 Post by tenia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:15 pm

Forgot to add : part of the problem (though it's not the case for most indie labels who almost entirely ditched DVD) is now having 3 formats coexisting.

This being written, I'm amazed at the UHD-to-BD ratio stated by Sam.

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#1138 Post by Aunt Peg » Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:25 am

Personally I really like dual discs, primarily because if one disc dies years later I'll still have an additional one even if it is a Blu Ray or DVD.

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#1139 Post by Finch » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:39 am

Since Sony are releasing the new restoration of Man's Castle on a barebones Blu-Ray on May 21, I'm hoping that the recent deal with Indicator includes this film.

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#1140 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:38 pm

I posted this in the dedicated Borzage thread, but Rita Belda gave an excellent presentation on the restoration which was accompanied by demonstration clips (in DCP format no less) and a pretty detailed slide show that showed all the paperwork they gathered dealing with censorship issues, including correspondence with multiple parties. That alone would make a hefty supplement. Also Dave Kehr has always championed this film - he was at the presentation and a big reason why it's running at MoMA - and given how much he's written about Borzage, he could be an ideal choice for an interview supplement.

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#1141 Post by rapta » Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:26 pm

Someone on BR.com just posted a leak for one of the upcoming July announcements being Roberto Gavaldón's Untouched (Sombra Verde), which is great news and I was hoping Indicator would do at least one Gavaldón (my Mexican friend's favourite film is Macario, which has also been recently restored...).

PS: Talking of recent Sony catalogue releases in the US, I'm hoping Indicator will get things like Thunderheart and City of Hope (and other things of that ilk; more 80s/90s US thrillers and John Sayles please). They mentioned at least one Rita Hayworth title which could be You'll Never Get Rich, so there's probably a good chance they've got Man's Castle too since both got US discs quite recently.

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#1142 Post by eerik » Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:14 am

Pre-order is up on Amazon US

Untouched (US Limited Edition Blu-ray) (1954, NR, 1h 25m)
Director: Roberto Gavaldón
Cast: Ricardo Montalbán, Ariadne Welter, Jorge Martínez de Hoyos, Víctor Parra

Ricardo Montalbán (Sweet Charity,Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan), Ariadne Welter (The Panther Women), and Jorge Martínez de Hoyos (The Magnificent Seven) star in Untouched (Sombra verde), a strange and exotic romantic adventure set at the edge of civilisation.

Scientist Federico (Montalbán) is tasked with taking a journey into the jungle to search for a rare medicinal root. When he becomes desperately lost, he is rescued by a farmer, and soon begins a torrid affair with the farmer's beautiful daughter, Yáscara (Welter).

Directed by Roberto Gavaldón (Macario), co-written by Luis Buñuel’s regular screenwriter Luis Alcoriza (Los olvidados, The Exterminating Angel), and shot almost entirely on location, Untouched is finally available – fully uncut and uncensored – on Blu-ray for the first time anywhere in the world.

INDICATOR LIMITED EDITION BLU-RAY SPECIAL FEATURES
  • 4K restoration from the original negative by the UCLA Film & Television Archive in collaboration with Permanencia Voluntaria
  • Original Spanish mono audio
  • Audio commentary with film historian and Mexican cinema specialist David Wilt (2024)
  • Interview with Viviana García Besné (2024): the great-niece of producers Guillermo and Pedro Calderón, and founder of Permanencia Voluntaria Film Archive discusses the making on the film, and her venture in restoring her family's cinematic heritage
  • Interview with Rafael Aviña (2024): the writer, TV host, and passionate film historian delves into the world of acclaimed director Roberto Gavaldón
  • Interview with Roberto Fiesco (2024): the filmmaker, writer, and devout collector of Mexican film memorabilia examines the life and career of the beloved Mexican actor Ricardo Montalbán
  • Original theatrical trailer
  • Image gallery: promotional and publicity material
  • New and improved English translation subtitles
  • Limited edition exclusive booklet with a new essay by Camilla Baier, archival essays, a contemporary article on the making of the film, and full film credits
  • World premiere on Blu-ray
  • Limited edition of 3,000 copies for the US
All extras subject to change

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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1143 Post by rapta » Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:43 pm

Dammit, annoying it's US only but can understand why they've decided to skip the UK release. Will have to import so will likely cost £20-25 now (rather than the usual £16.99 I've been used to), but I do want this title.

Good news we finally have Single White Female dated, and Bruiser looks...suitably crazy. A bold choice for Indicator but good fun too.

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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1144 Post by mistakaninja » Thu May 30, 2024 11:38 am

Clue in the newsletter is Gene Wilder holding up a sign, from Another You.

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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1145 Post by TMDaines » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:41 am

For which film is the newsletter picture a clue?

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#1146 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:26 am

Can you post the picture? For some reason I don't get the newsletters

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#1147 Post by eerik » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:37 am

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:26 am
Can you post the picture? For some reason I don't get the newsletters
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Re: Indications of Incoming Indicator Entertainments

#1148 Post by reaky » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:43 am

I think it’s El Vampiro (1957).

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#1149 Post by Finch » Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:56 pm

Yes it is. This pretty much confirms Mexico Macabre Vol 2 for October or November.

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#1150 Post by JSC » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:02 am

This month's clue seems to be for Jean Rollin's The Iron Rose.

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