DVDBeaver
- Murdoch
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Re: DVDBeaver
They now have a Patreon page.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Re: DVDBeaver
Gary somehow managed to do an entire Blue Movie review without including a single shot of nudity, which probably took actual effort to do!
- Petty Bourgeoisie
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I don't get it. Are statements like these an in-joke around here, or are people genuinely upset by the content of some screen captures? The gym/shower set was quite amazing. I'd grab a capture of it too!
- Big Ben
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Re: 82 / BD 20 Ikarie XB 1
If a potentially lewd scene can be captured Tooze has almost always done so in the screen grabs. It's a running in joke.
- MichaelB
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Re: 82 / BD 20 Ikarie XB 1
I'd do the same, to be fair. Because why not?
- tenia
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Re: 82 / BD 20 Ikarie XB 1
Exactly. Be it an upskirt shot, a bra-less picture or a nude scene, even if it lasts 2 frames within a 3h30 movie, he'll get them. Which I always found surprising, since I was told the majority of Gary's screen captures are around chapter skips, and I'd be surprised to learn most of the lewd or suggestive frames turned out to randomly be around chapter skips too !
I don't think people here are upset about the screencaps themselves, but over the years, such an insistance at exhaustively capturing any suggestive picture has become more and more debated. I myself don't care so much (and actually used to do so too), but I understand how people might wonder why Gary seems so systematically compelled to capture those (even if it is called DVD Beaver after all). I guess it might simply generate more trafic to his website ?
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Re: 82 / BD 20 Ikarie XB 1
Of course, there is that time he posted the underage picture of Nastassia Kinski...
- MichaelB
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Re: 82 / BD 20 Ikarie XB 1
What exactly has this got to do with Ikarie XB-1?
- domino harvey
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They're continuing the discussion of DVDBeaver's capturing practices as evidenced by the screencap of this film's release, a conversation you yourself were just participating in
- Luke M
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Re: DVDBeaver
Also, notable he doesn't follow a single politically-minded person who could be deemed a centrist. Not even someone as vanilla as Jake Tapper. Though he does follow an account called "ProWhitesUnite" I appreciate his reviews and actually subscribe to his patreon but big yikes.Fitznoirre wrote:If you check out who DVDBeaver follows on Twitter - https://twitter.com/DVDBeaver/following - you'll a lot of Trump and Fox accounts - Trump, Ann Coulter, Sarah Sanders, Tucker Carlson etc as well as a bunch of other MAGA stuff and anti-liberal accounts. He also follows Kanye (or Ye).
- furbicide
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Re: DVDBeaver
A good 40% (or thereabouts; I’m not sure of the precise current figure) of the American voting population support Trump (with all the nasty stuff that entails). I’m not saying that’s a particularly pleasant or edifying fact, but it does mean that there’s a solid chance the next person who scans your groceries, picks you up in a taxi or checks your ID at a bar is one of them. Why should the guy who reviews DVDs for a living be any different? And either way, why would it be important that he share our beliefs*?
Interestingly, I don’t source my political opinions from DVDBeaver, and I doubt that anybody else does either. So investigating Tooze’s Twitter followers for decisive evidence that he’s an evil right-winger just seems like an excuse for malicious gossip to me.
*Note: if he was actually using his site as a platform for right-wing rants, like that Bluray.com guy, then that would be a different matter – not because it’d make him an immoral subhuman, but just because he’d be a bore whose reviews would be a drag to read. But aspect ratios and transfer quality don’t have political affiliations, and Tooze has enough good sense – if the insinuations above are true – to keep his politics out of his professional work. All you can ask, really.
Interestingly, I don’t source my political opinions from DVDBeaver, and I doubt that anybody else does either. So investigating Tooze’s Twitter followers for decisive evidence that he’s an evil right-winger just seems like an excuse for malicious gossip to me.
*Note: if he was actually using his site as a platform for right-wing rants, like that Bluray.com guy, then that would be a different matter – not because it’d make him an immoral subhuman, but just because he’d be a bore whose reviews would be a drag to read. But aspect ratios and transfer quality don’t have political affiliations, and Tooze has enough good sense – if the insinuations above are true – to keep his politics out of his professional work. All you can ask, really.
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- dustybooks
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Re: DVDBeaver
I'd say that following something called "ProWhitesUnite" goes a little beyond a traditional left-right divide.
- furbicide
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Re: DVDBeaver
So does Trump, though. And he still retains mainstream Republican voter support, even while employing open fascists like Bannon and publicly supporting white supremacist groups.
I’m not trying to minimise the danger of fascism here or apologise for its proponents – it’s obviously catastrophic that it’s seeing such a resurgence in the US at the moment, and I’m not saying that it’s ok that (what we might think of as) regular people are flirting with it (or with white-supremacist identity politics, or men’s rights activism, or anti-immigration sentiments, etc.). But if the goal is to shame any and all people we can find in that MAGA/alt-right morass and/or chase them out of the public square, then I don’t think that’s going to be a very effective remedy for any of this. (I’m not saying that’s necessarily what people are trying to do to Tooze here, but I do wonder what constructive purpose this gossip about his political leanings serves.)
I’m not trying to minimise the danger of fascism here or apologise for its proponents – it’s obviously catastrophic that it’s seeing such a resurgence in the US at the moment, and I’m not saying that it’s ok that (what we might think of as) regular people are flirting with it (or with white-supremacist identity politics, or men’s rights activism, or anti-immigration sentiments, etc.). But if the goal is to shame any and all people we can find in that MAGA/alt-right morass and/or chase them out of the public square, then I don’t think that’s going to be a very effective remedy for any of this. (I’m not saying that’s necessarily what people are trying to do to Tooze here, but I do wonder what constructive purpose this gossip about his political leanings serves.)
- hearthesilence
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Re: DVDBeaver
Tell me about it. One of my own relatives, who never votes, is not shy about saying she likes Trump, much to the horror of her closest friends. The fact that she's been openly and virulently racist (mostly among family but she once told a neighbor in my presence she'd kill her own child if he married an African-American) as long as I've known her makes it less of a surprise. I know plenty of Trump voters too but to be blunt they tend to have flat out disgusting beliefs.furbicide wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:25 amA good 40% (or thereabouts; I’m not sure of the precise current figure) of the American voting population support Trump (with all the nasty stuff that entails). I’m not saying that’s a particularly pleasant or edifying fact, but it does mean that there’s a solid chance the next person who scans your groceries, picks you up in a taxi or checks your ID at a bar is one of them.
- tenia
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Re: DVDBeaver
Yes and no.
He has a rather constant 41-42% approval rating, which is one of the lowest amongst POTUS (and the lowest since 1938). This however doesn't mean his supporting base is 41-42% of the voting population, but is said to more likely hover around 25%.
Considering how short most of his reviews are, it most likely would be hard to find thorough movie analysis containing a political stance.furbicide wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:25 am*Note: if he was actually using his site as a platform for right-wing rants, like that Bluray.com guy, then that would be a different matter – not because it’d make him an immoral subhuman, but just because he’d be a bore whose reviews would be a drag to read. But aspect ratios and transfer quality don’t have political affiliations, and Tooze has enough good sense – if the insinuations above are true – to keep his politics out of his professional work. All you can ask, really.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Re: DVDBeaver
Yeah, I have zero patience for engaging with the fake moral quandary of whether it’s okay to defend someone who supports literal white supremacy. As HJackson pointed out when I brought this up previously, I have no problem with Gary being right wing (and a few prominent members are too, which you may not have noticed either, but something to keep in mind when demonizing political beliefs wholecloth on this forum...), but this is something elsedustybooks wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:29 amI'd say that following something called "ProWhitesUnite" goes a little beyond a traditional left-right divide.
- DarkImbecile
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Re: DVDBeaver
This would apply if he were just a mainstream conservative (though what that means in America is certainly in a state of flux these days), but I think it is totally appropriate for people to feel uncomfortable with providing financial support (whether through Patreon or just regularly visiting the site) for someone openly engaging with — even if not currently vocally supporting — white supremacist ideologies. I wouldn't shop at a grocery store that sold neo-Nazi merchandise or ride in a cab with a Stormfront bumper sticker either.
I know plenty of people who support Trump and the modern Republican party without endorsing the darker elements of the discourse he's empowered, and while I fundamentally disagree with them and think they're conveniently ignoring the causal relationship between his takeover of the Republican party and the rise of white nationalism, I can still have professional or transactional relationships with these people in a way that I wouldn't be willing to with someone who openly crosses that line.
I'm personally not looking to remedy the root causes of white nationalism by finding somewhere else to look at screencaps and bad grammar, just using this new-to-me information to exercise my freedom of association to avoid supporting people who openly associate themselves with white supremacists.furbicide wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:33 amBut if the goal is to shame any and all people we can find in that MAGA/alt-right morass and/or chase them out of the public square, then I don’t think that’s going to be a very effective remedy for any of this. (I’m not saying that’s necessarily what people are trying to do to Tooze here, but I do wonder what constructive purpose this gossip about his political leanings serves.)
- HJackson
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I'll stop calling you Dom!
- furbicide
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Re: DVDBeaver
Fair enough, and perhaps the comparative example here would be if DVDBeaver had white-supremacist logos or links on its website. But snooping on someone’s Twitter follows seems more in the realm of looking at brain scans for far-right activity (in a hypothetical world where such technology were available).“DarkImbecile” wrote:This would apply if he were just a mainstream conservative (though what that means in America is certainly in a state of flux these days), but I think it is totally appropriate for people to feel uncomfortable with providing financial support (whether through Patreon or just regularly visiting the site) for someone openly engaging with — even if not currently vocally supporting — white supremacist ideologies. I wouldn't shop at a grocery store that sold neo-Nazi merchandise or ride in a cab with a Stormfront bumper sticker either.
The explosion of information brought about by the internet and social media gives us insights to people’s thoughts in a way that just wasn’t possible even ten years ago. I get that some see that as a positive development in that it allows us to make informed decisions; but it also gives us more of a warts-and-all view of humanity. I just wonder if we’re coping with that information healthily.
(And no matter how much we might like playing detective and drawing conclusions, we can’t know on the basis of one Twitter follow that Tooze is actually a white supremacist sympathiser as opposed to a standard-issue Trump-era right-winger. I respect that others feel it’s something worth investigating nonetheless and that it’ll affect their decision to visit/support the site, but I still question whether that’s actually a politically meaningful decision.)
- fiddlesticks
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Re: DVDBeaver
Regarding Gary's interest in Trump and Fox News, and leaving aside the white supremacist angle, I thought he was Canadian. Does he also follow, say, Doug Ford?
- Rayon Vert
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Fully agree with this.furbicide wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:24 pmFair enough, and perhaps the comparative example here would be if DVDBeaver had white-supremacist logos or links on its website. But snooping on someone’s Twitter follows seems more in the realm of looking at brain scans for far-right activity (in a hypothetical world where such technology were available).
The explosion of information brought about by the internet and social media gives us insights to people’s thoughts in a way that just wasn’t possible even ten years ago. I get that some see that as a positive development in that it allows us to make informed decisions; but it also gives us more of a warts-and-all view of humanity. I just wonder if we’re coping with that information healthily.
(And no matter how much we might like playing detective and drawing conclusions, we can’t know on the basis of one Twitter follow that Tooze is actually a white supremacist sympathiser as opposed to a standard-issue Trump-era right-winger. I respect that others feel it’s something worth investigating nonetheless and that it’ll affect their decision to visit/support the site, but I still question whether that’s actually a politically meaningful decision.)
- Michael Kerpan
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Re: DVDBeaver
Once upon a time his Facebook feed reflected some very far right leanings -- but so far as I can tell he now avoids such stuff on Facebook (and I avoid Twitter).
- Magic Hate Ball
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Re: DVDBeaver
I feel like this is more like overhearing someone saying awful at a party. There have definitely been times I've peeped a follow list because I want more similar accounts and stumbled across something embarrassing. Twitter follows are definitely pertinent information in this regard - it's kind of like finding out who someone's friends are.furbicide wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:24 pmFair enough, and perhaps the comparative example here would be if DVDBeaver had white-supremacist logos or links on its website. But snooping on someone’s Twitter follows seems more in the realm of looking at brain scans for far-right activity (in a hypothetical world where such technology were available).
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Re: DVDBeaver
Unless Tooze himself has posted hateful things on his Twitter feed, I fail to see how it's fair to cast suspicion on his character based solely on the fact that he follows accounts of a different political stance from yours.
I've never unfollowed movie-related Twitter accounts just because they, in turn, followed left-wing accounts (and lots of them do); I've stopped following them when they posted something I found indefensible.
I've never unfollowed movie-related Twitter accounts just because they, in turn, followed left-wing accounts (and lots of them do); I've stopped following them when they posted something I found indefensible.