Criterion and StudioCanal
- domino harvey
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I honestly have no idea why the six movielocke mentions are "certain" in the first place-- Ran and Le mepris were already announced before StudioCanal jerked their rights back, so I can see those two, but the other four are pure speculation
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He didn’t sound convincing and definitely was not definitive in my mind.RSTooley wrote:I don't see any reason to disbelieve Kino Insider for now.
There is nothing to suggest that SC won’t let Criterion release newer versions using recent restoration over the the god awful Lionsgate versions. And still allow the Lionsgate versions to stay in print, much like Universal keeping their editions in print after Criterion releases their’s.
As I said up thread, I can’t imagine SC not wanting the newer restorations released in region A.
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The Third Man is a no-brainer, there's already a BD out in the UK using the new 4K restoration, but the sound has problems, so that's the major concern - if Criterion puts it out, they're better off using a soundtrack from their previous releases. In fact, the soundtrack on their first DVD release would be better than their later and OOP Blu-Ray and DVD releases because they compressed the hell out of the sound on those later releases.
I'm wary of a Ran release because there's no guarantee Criterion can fix the color. They've been forced to release restorations with bad revisionist timing multiple times before, like L'argent, The Color of Pomegranates and Muriel, all of which are especially galling because one never had decent home releases of any of those titles.
And I'd wait and see about Contempt as well - MoMI had a Rialto retrospective earlier this year that screened the latest DCP of Contempt, and it looked pretty crummy to me. If that was sourced from the best available digital master, and ultimately what Criterion would have to use, it's nothing to get excited about.
I'm wary of a Ran release because there's no guarantee Criterion can fix the color. They've been forced to release restorations with bad revisionist timing multiple times before, like L'argent, The Color of Pomegranates and Muriel, all of which are especially galling because one never had decent home releases of any of those titles.
And I'd wait and see about Contempt as well - MoMI had a Rialto retrospective earlier this year that screened the latest DCP of Contempt, and it looked pretty crummy to me. If that was sourced from the best available digital master, and ultimately what Criterion would have to use, it's nothing to get excited about.
- criterionoop
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The 50th Anniversary restoration of CONTEMPT was atrocious, especially considering that partway through the screening of Fritz Lang's film, every character in the film starts speaking English (how could they not realize they inserted a dubbed reel into the film).
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I don't see how this isn't definitive.FrauBlucher wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:35 pmHe didn’t sound convincing and definitely was not definitive in my mind.RSTooley wrote:I don't see any reason to disbelieve Kino Insider for now.
There is nothing to suggest that SC won’t let Criterion release newer versions using recent restoration over the the god awful Lionsgate versions. And still allow the Lionsgate versions to stay in print, much like Universal keeping their editions in print after Criterion releases their’s.
As I said up thread, I can’t imagine SC not wanting the newer restorations released in region A.
Unless Criterion (who may not even have a new SC deal) struck a different agreement with them, it sounds like all Lionsgate released titles were entirely off the table.
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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal
For Kino Lorber
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Just a reminder that the SC rep was at the Criterion offices. And in her comment she said, "And many more soon!"
dwk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:07 pmJuliette Hochart from StudioCanal was at Criterion's office and posted this on instagram
juliette_hochart: The best of #studiocanalcatalogue at the cinephilie temple #criterion
margauxinlondon: Mulholland Drive! Of course
juliette_hochart: ... and Blood Simple. And many more soon!
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On end credit of The Art of Subtitling short docu in Panique, Grand Illusion was mentioned as available in the Criterion Collection. Perhaps this is a good sign?
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Or a statement of long-established fact, as far as the DVD is concerned?ftsoh wrote:On end credit of The Art of Subtitling short docu in Panique, Grand Illusion was mentioned as available in the Criterion Collection. Perhaps this is a good sign?
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The DVD has been OOP for almost 9 years now tho.
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We missed this. Earlier in the week Janus tweeted Diary of a Country Priest
What I'm confused about is Janus tweeting these titles when they are with Rialto. Would Rialto be losing the theatrical distribution rights as well?
What I'm confused about is Janus tweeting these titles when they are with Rialto. Would Rialto be losing the theatrical distribution rights as well?
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Question on the Blu-ray.com forum....
Any news on the Jacques Becker titles like Le Trou and Touchez pas au grisbi getting released by Kino?
KL Insider...
One of them is part of our deal, pretty sure the other is with another label.
Any news on the Jacques Becker titles like Le Trou and Touchez pas au grisbi getting released by Kino?
KL Insider...
One of them is part of our deal, pretty sure the other is with another label.
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Hope Criterion decides to add some features to 'Le Trou' if they indeed did get the rights back for it.
- captveg
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Kino Lorber Insider on Blu-ray.com:
[Shout Factory] didn't have first dibs, we're were the ones that met with [StudioCanal] and got them to release the unexploited Lionsgate titles for licensing. The word got out and we were outbid for most of the horror titles by them and some key arthouse titles by another label.
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KL Insider on Criterion possibly having the rights to 'Peeping Tom':
Maybe so, but we have a bunch of titles Criterion had released on DVD. We've announced a bunch already.
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KL Insider was asked about The Trial and said they "asked for it, but it was already promised to another label."
Definitely not a Shout title, so if Criterion is the other company with an SC deal, seems likely that they've gotten the rights to the film.
Definitely not a Shout title, so if Criterion is the other company with an SC deal, seems likely that they've gotten the rights to the film.
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I was told by a source that Criterion still has lots of Welles coming. So this makes sense.KJones77 wrote:KL Insider was asked about The Trial and said they "asked for it, but it was already promised to another label."
Definitely not a Shout title, so if Criterion is the other company with an SC deal, seems likely that they've gotten the rights to the film.
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A few days ago ar the Blu-ray.com forums, Kino insider posted
The two Musketeers films are with another label (not Shout).
- yoloswegmaster
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Another user on the Blu-ray.com forums posted this yesterday regarding the Muskateer films:
Through a very good source, I heard both Lester films are with Criterion.
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I asked KI Insider if they got the rights to any of the Powell and Pressburger films and they had this to say:
Could they be referring to Tales of Hoffmann and Peeping Tom?We thought we had one P&P movie and one Michael Powell one, but they ended up with another label.
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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal
Most likely.
- captveg
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So far as I can tell, the confirmed former Criterion titles confirmed to be with Kino are:
Alphaville
Billy Liar
Bob le flambeur
Le doulos
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Last Year at Marienbad
Léon Morin, Priest
The Milky Way
Quai des Orfèvres
Port of Shadows
Touchez Pas au Grisbi
And here are the former Criterion titles Kino has confirmed are with other labels/retained by Lionsgate:
Army of Shadows
Carlos Saura's Flamenco Trilogy
Le cercle rouge
Contempt
Diary of a Country Priest
The Fallen Idol
Forbidden Games
Grand Illusion
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Nights of Cabiria
Peeping Tom
Pierrot le fou
Ran
Tales of Hoffman
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Third Man
Le Trou
Variety Lights
The White Sheik
Finally, titles unconfirmed either way:
Le corbeau
Coup de torchon
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Gervaise
Le jour se lève
Last Holiday
Mafiosa
Mayerling
Murderous Maids
The Orphic Trilogy (excluding Orpheus)
The Phantom of Liberty
The Small Back Room
A Woman Is a Woman
Updated 4/13/19
Alphaville
Billy Liar
Bob le flambeur
Le doulos
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Last Year at Marienbad
Léon Morin, Priest
The Milky Way
Quai des Orfèvres
Port of Shadows
Touchez Pas au Grisbi
And here are the former Criterion titles Kino has confirmed are with other labels/retained by Lionsgate:
Army of Shadows
Carlos Saura's Flamenco Trilogy
Le cercle rouge
Contempt
Diary of a Country Priest
The Fallen Idol
Forbidden Games
Grand Illusion
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Nights of Cabiria
Peeping Tom
Pierrot le fou
Ran
Tales of Hoffman
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Third Man
Le Trou
Variety Lights
The White Sheik
Finally, titles unconfirmed either way:
Le corbeau
Coup de torchon
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Gervaise
Le jour se lève
Last Holiday
Mafiosa
Mayerling
Murderous Maids
The Orphic Trilogy (excluding Orpheus)
The Phantom of Liberty
The Small Back Room
A Woman Is a Woman
Updated 4/13/19
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- yoloswegmaster
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Can we make a list of titles that have been confirmed by KL Insider to be coming from "other labels"?
- FrauBlucher
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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal
The Kino Insider went from definitivly to now 'most likely' in regards to SC/Lionsgate titles....
And maybe Criterion gets the rights back to those OOP titles that Lionsgate have when their deal expiresThe Third Man is most likely still with Lionsgate. Not everything was licensed, LG had first dibs.
- domino harvey
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Considering we’ve seen zero OOP StudioCanal titles return to Criterion, I think we should start preparing for the possible eventuality that none are with Criterion. I could easily see the label saying “Well, fuck that” to dealing with them after the original rights mess