Criterion and UHD

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#101 Post by fdm » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:24 pm

Regular blu-ray handles Atmos/DTS:X just fine (more or less), UHD is unnecessary.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#102 Post by tenia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:03 pm

On top of that, indeed, but the presence of this kind of tracks is "expected" on UHDs, while they aren't on BD.

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#103 Post by fdm » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:15 pm

A better way of putting it is being held hostage by UHD, no reason they can't be on the blu-ray as well.

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#104 Post by denti alligator » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:40 pm

Interesting discussion. I wouldn't make the jump to UHD until the price of 4K projectors drops below $1K, which I don't think will be anytime soon.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#105 Post by tenia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:40 am

fdm wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:15 pm
A better way of putting it is being held hostage by UHD, no reason they can't be on the blu-ray as well.
It's not what I meant. What I meant is that many people do expect contemporary UHD releases to come with a vertical mix, being Atmos or X, as if it was the basic soundtrack requirement. Not having one is almost perceived as a deal-breaker for these UHD releases.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#106 Post by fdm » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:11 pm

Got it now. Sort of like lossless audio should be mandatory for blu-ray.

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#107 Post by david hare » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:08 pm

Sam you can currently buy 4k D!P single chip UHD projectors from LG and Optpma for under 1500 USD.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#108 Post by denti alligator » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:17 pm

david hare wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:08 pm
Sam you can currently buy 4k D!P single chip UHD projectors from LG and Optpma for under 1500 USD.
Yes, I knew that, but I can't handle the DLP rainbow effect. Wish it didn't bother me, because DLP has much better color uniformity than LCD. What I wouldn't do for a quality, color totally uniform, non-DLP projector! I figure when 4K LCDs drop low enough I might be able to afford a higher end 1080p on which I can watch b&w movies that aren't shades of red and green.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#109 Post by david hare » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:58 pm

I have the Optoma UHD65 which has the larger color wheel than those cheaper models. I am also sensitive to rainbow (had Lasik twenty years ago) but after extensive auditioning erc I could only really see rainbows in the white credits from the Ridley Scott Prometheus. It seems only white slivers set it off. Dont see it it anything else. I al so chose this model for better wheel, better spec generally. Actually its fucking superb.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#110 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:13 am

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So, is BD the standard Criterion format ? I don't think so. It certainly is their flagship and most respected one, but for all we know, DVD-users were strong enough to strong-arm Criterion into revising their whole selling strategy and going backwards to exactly where they were before, showing it definitely remains a driving force. Otherwise, Criterion wouldn’t have cared when they went DF.
Just a little anecdote.... I was in a Barnes and Noble Saturday morning. It's a huge store. Very big movie and music section. The store sits north of Union Square in NYC, which is a very busy area that includes NYU. After purchasing Marketa Lavarova, I asked the section manager what they sell more of, Criterion DVDs or Criterion blurays. Before I can finish my sentence he emphatically blurted out blurays.

I know that this is a small sample size of one store, granted a big one with heavy in store traffic, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was the standard and not an anomaly.

On a side note.... Criterion's office is two short blocks from this store.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#111 Post by tenia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am

A 60/40 split is already aside of the industry current format split (which rather is 70/30, or even 80/20) so why not after all, but I'd again argue that if that's such a case, they would have been able not to ditch Dual Formats but they had to seemingly because of their DVD consumers. So they seem to be still quite powerful.

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#112 Post by TMDaines » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:14 am

denti alligator wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:40 pm
Interesting discussion. I wouldn't make the jump to UHD until the price of 4K projectors drops below $1K, which I don't think will be anytime soon.
This seems the biggest barrier to me and many others. You can get outstanding value in 1080p projectors in the sub $1000 price bracket, but there's nothing equivalent in 4k. Who wants to go from say a 92 inch projection to a 50-odd inch TV, even with an uptick in resolution and other such niceties?

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Re: Criterion and UHD

#113 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:24 am

HDR televisions just took a steep price drop thanks to an off-brand (TCL) Roku model that nearly stacks up to more expensive LG televisions that is coming in at around $500-600 for a 55", which is substantially less than the big brands, and they're sure to start falling to keep pace. I'm sure we'll see that with projectors sooner or later, and it could happen about as suddenly as this did.

I paid $2500 (on sale!) for a top of the line LG OLED 65" with all the bells and whistles at the end of last year, and while it hasn't come down yet, I'm sure the arrival of a ton of praise for this TCL model [it's $1000 for a 65"] could start to force their hand.

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