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Re: Awards Season 2018

#951 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am

DarkImbecile wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:07 pm
The film ultimately isn’t bad because it fails to meet Film Twitter’s standards of wokeness —
Unfortunately the twitter mob is what drives much of the conversation (mostly one sided) these days that feeds the narrative towards the outside of constructive conversation parameters.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#952 Post by Persona » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:45 pm
Paul Schrader, meanwhile, had the best quote:
Schrader, who predicted his loss to “Green Book” weeks ago, wandered past. “You can’t compete with mediocrity,” he said, and chuckled.
BAhaha... oh man, I love Schrader.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#953 Post by felipe » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:33 pm

Big Ben wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:35 am
swo17 wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:29 pm
They need to make it two awards:

Best Picture About Racism
Best Other Picture

Problem solved (by which I mean the problem of racism)
I think it should actually be "Best Picture About Racism Solved by White People." and then Best Other Picture.
So... Green Book and BlacKkKlansman?

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#954 Post by aox » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:21 am

felipe wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:33 pm
Big Ben wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:35 am
swo17 wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:29 pm
They need to make it two awards:

Best Picture About Racism
Best Other Picture

Problem solved (by which I mean the problem of racism)
I think it should actually be "Best Picture About Racism Solved by White People." and then Best Other Picture.
So... Green Book and BlacKkKlansman?
BlacKkKlansman? A film make by a black man with a black lead protagonist?

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#955 Post by DarkImbecile » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:17 am

I think he’s saying the Spike Lee film would be Best Other Picture.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#956 Post by Finch » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:06 pm


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Re: Awards Season 2018

#957 Post by Never Cursed » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:21 pm

Did people really think that Roma was the odds-on favorite to win Picture?

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#958 Post by Brian C » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Not to toot my own horn here, but that went down exactly like I predicted it would.

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#959 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:26 pm

I’m friends with one of the Golden Derby prognosticators. He thought Roma was a slam dunk. But did say the only way it could not, was by voters giving it Foreign film and then going in different direction for best picture.

Edit: Like Brian C suggested

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#960 Post by swo17 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:33 pm

Why do people keep assuming that preferential voting helped Film X more than Film Y? A) How would any of them know? B) Even if it's true, why would it be a bad thing?

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#961 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:40 pm

In terms of Roma I could see voters not wanting to give it both awards but the Green Book and Spike Lee reasoning I don’t necessarily buy.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#962 Post by swo17 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:08 pm

That wasn't a reasoning, it was anecdotal evidence, i.e. I know people who voted for both and didn't see a contradiction in that

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#963 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:34 pm

This is probably true, otherwise there wouldn't be questions almost every year about the winners...
Regardless, many Academy members, sad to say, aren't very rigorous and don't hold their choices to a high standard; the award is for excellence and artistry, not whether a movie made you feel good.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#964 Post by DarkImbecile » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:35 pm

swo17 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:33 pm
Why do people keep assuming that preferential voting helped Film X more than Film Y? A) How would any of them know? B) Even if it's true, why would it be a bad thing?
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people blame the preferential ballot for Green Book’s win — even calling for a return to the simple plurality ballot that went with the former five-nominee system, which makes no sense to me — as if it somehow systematically favors the more mainstream nominees.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#965 Post by Luke M » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:28 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
swo17 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:33 pm
Why do people keep assuming that preferential voting helped Film X more than Film Y? A) How would any of them know? B) Even if it's true, why would it be a bad thing?
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people blame the preferential ballot for Green Book’s win — even calling for a return to the simple plurality ballot that went with the former five-nominee system, which makes no sense to me — as if it somehow systematically favors the more mainstream nominees.
Yup. Still means people were voting for Green Book over BlackkKlansman, The Favourite, or whatever else should've come in 2nd or 3rd place.

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#966 Post by movielocke » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:42 pm

I imagine the main outcome of green book winning will simply be that the cohorts within the academy that organized successful bloc voting at the nominations stage after oscars so white (Roman Israel esquire oscar nominated because of well organized bloc voting!), will manage to convince people to more strategically structure their instant run off ballots with some bloc preferences—look back to how many leaked ballots had voters saying they only put two or three films in their instant run off ballot. Big strategic failure to do so.

Instant run offs are pretty vulnerable to organized voting blocs, at least in terms of surviving the initial rounds of culling, so gaming the system to your advantage instead of being victimized by it is definitely possible.

But I doubt most years will have such a clear contrast as this year, so it may not have much short term effect.

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