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Re: Arrow Announcements, Speculation & Wild, Irresponsible Conjecture

#1176 Post by CSM126 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:35 pm

It’s a hat you wear on your ass, because only an asshat would pick these movies.

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#1177 Post by ianungstad » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:54 pm

What's odd to me is that Arrow probably licensed Man with a Thousand Faces because they have an interest in Lon Chaney. Universal has many of the major Lon Chaney films in their library, so why not put the effort into a legit classic? It's not like Kino or Criterion are releasing these (or any other Universal silent films). There was legit opportunity to do something major.

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#1178 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:02 pm

I doubt Universal has elements for any of their Cheney films, major or minor. Man of a Thousand Faces probably has an existing HD-ready master and could be accessed through an ongoing licensing deal, so it's a simpler proposition than trying to obtain something like Hunchback from Film Preservation Associates or whoever.

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#1179 Post by andyli » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:11 pm

Drucker wrote:I could be wrong, but it seems a lot of the people that did work on BFI/MOC releases until 2013 or so then focused on Arrow releases and are now focused on Indicator...Quality of people more than quality of the label itself has always been my thinking...
But Indicator doesn't even do non-English release and only deals with a couple of Studios. It cannot cover MoC/BFI/Arrow's ground.

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#1180 Post by nitin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:15 pm

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:02 pm
I doubt Universal has elements for any of their Cheney films, major or minor. Man of a Thousand Faces probably has an existing HD-ready master and could be accessed through an ongoing licensing deal, so it's a simpler proposition than trying to obtain something like Hunchback from Film Preservation Associates or whoever.
The specs indicate an Arrow in house restoration though. So it’s not going to be using any existing HD master.

Apart from the choices becoming pretty generic, the overall Academy output has decreased significantly which is weird because when they expanded the Academy range into the US, Fran Simeoni had said they would be increasing the Academy output.

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#1181 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:20 pm

I think the grim truth is, as shown by the countless boutique labels putting out similar releases, the junk on the Video label outsells the Academy titles so they allocate more resources there

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#1182 Post by nitin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:20 pm

Don’t doubt that, that has been the case for years (as you say look at the output of countless other boutique labels), just find it odd that it has happened not long after the Academy expansion into the US.

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#1183 Post by Drucker » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:54 am

andyli wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:11 pm
Drucker wrote:I could be wrong, but it seems a lot of the people that did work on BFI/MOC releases until 2013 or so then focused on Arrow releases and are now focused on Indicator...Quality of people more than quality of the label itself has always been my thinking...
But Indicator doesn't even do non-English release and only deals with a couple of Studios. It cannot cover MoC/BFI/Arrow's ground.
I mean, yes, but if you look at the people behind the best UK home video releases since 2010 there is a ton of overlap. Each label has its own identity which the people behind it kind of 'work within.' I mean James White did extensive work on the BFI Ozus as well as White Of The Eye and Zombie on Arrow.

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#1184 Post by tenia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:56 am

domino harvey wrote:I think the grim truth is, as shown by the countless boutique labels putting out similar releases, the junk on the Video label outsells the Academy titles so they allocate more resources there
I always assumed this indeed simply was the case. Just looking at how slower Academy LEs are selling out always illustrated a likely lesser interest for the Academy titles, no matter miles better the movies are compared to whatever Z junk the Video releases are based on (and in some ways, many of the Video titles could very well be released by Vinegar Syndrome in the US).

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#1185 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:50 pm

So what you're all saying is the Arrow sub-forum needs a "Why Won't They Release Only What I Want" thread? There may be many films out there that need a release, but that's true of every area of cinema, regardless of what you might think of them personally. Prior to 2012 (?), the Academy line was very much a minor accompaniment to the main business of the Video line. I agree with Drucker, that the people who helped build it up with releases like the Borowczyk boxset such as Michael Brooke, have moved on, and are doing great things at other labels like Indicator. It seems only natural, at least for the time being, that things have somewhat drifted back to that original balance.

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#1186 Post by Glowingwabbit » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:58 pm

Adam Grikepelis wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:50 pm
So what you're all saying is the Arrow sub-forum needs a "Why Won't They Release Only What I Want" thread?
That isn't what the discussion has been about but rather that they've really slowed down on their releases.

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#1187 Post by nitin » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:37 pm

My orirginal point was not that Video had more output than Academy, that has always obviously been the case, but Academy output had decreased and become more generic in recent times compared to Academy output previously.

I was not knocking the Video brand, for which I am still an Indiegogo subscriber.

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#1188 Post by tenia » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:39 am

IIRC, Academy output used to be 3 titles per month not that long ago, and the movies or releases used to be more impressive packages. Extras seem to have decreased in quantity while the movies themselves have been less thrilling too (with a few exceptions).

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#1189 Post by Calvin » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:26 am

Fran Simeoni has put out a tweet that I think is of relevance to this discussion, saying that if "everybody could jump on [the Jissoji set] so I can get that third ATG box out that would be awesome".

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#1190 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:22 am

Calvin wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:26 am
Fran Simeoni has put out a tweet that I think is of relevance to this discussion, saying that if "everybody could jump on [the Jissoji set] so I can get that third ATG box out that would be awesome".
Sadly I dont expect it to fly off the shelves. I think the Yoshida set took awhile to sell. Hopefully they can still do a third set eventually down the road.

If it's a similarly auteur-based set my best guess would be the works of Shūji Terayama.

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#1191 Post by Calvin » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:01 am

I think you're right, but from what I've seen Terayama has been by far the most requested of the Japanese New Wave so it would be a shame if slow sales of Jissoji - who there has been comparatively minimal vocal demand for - impacted a potential release of his works.

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#1192 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:12 am

Calvin wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:01 am
I think you're right, but from what I've seen Terayama has been by far the most requested of the Japanese New Wave so it would be a shame if slow sales of Jissoji - who there has been comparatively minimal vocal demand for - impacted a potential release of his works.
That's true. And I definitely dont think it would be a Oshima set for that very reason as he is the most well known in the West and it would be silly not to lead with him (although this is the same company who said there is a low interest in Iranian cinema after releasing the little known Poetic Trilogy).

Its probably pointless to speculate anyway since its unlikely a third set will materialize, but I could also see it just being a variety set of ATG films brought together (a la Hammer) which would also be cool.

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#1193 Post by dda1996a » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:23 am

It is a real shame because I'm trying to cut down on buying since my keyvip is huge and I'd rather skip this set, but a Terayama would be amazing.

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#1194 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:31 am

dda1996a wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:23 am
It is a real shame because I'm trying to cut down on buying since my keyvip is huge and I'd rather skip this set, but a Terayama would be amazing.
While this Jissôji set definitively excites me more, Calvin is probably right that if they had plans for a Terayama set that would have come before.

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#1195 Post by Calvin » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:46 am

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:31 am
dda1996a wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:23 am
It is a real shame because I'm trying to cut down on buying since my keyvip is huge and I'd rather skip this set, but a Terayama would be amazing.
While this Jissôji set definitively excites me more, Calvin is probably right that if they had plans for a Terayama set that would have come before.
Oh, I'm not sure about that. As you say, Arrow have made some odd choices before such as with the Poetic Trilogy and I can't see what would prevent a Terayama set other than the BBFC probably shooting down Emperor Tomato Ketchup. Looking at the list of ATG films, the only other directors who you could build a set with would be Oshima (who would also fall into the 'higher demand' category), Hôjin Hashiura, Kazuo Kuroki, Kihachi Okamoto, or Yoichi Takabayashi. And I think it would be extremely odd if Arrow ignored Terayama in favour of any of them, unless there are rights issues that I'm not aware of.

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#1196 Post by dda1996a » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:13 pm

Consider me rather surprised that I have absolutely no knowledge of every name you wrote after Oshima.
Do we even know if Arrow has more well known Iranian films that were blaming them for weird priorities?

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#1197 Post by Drucker » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:26 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:23 am
It is a real shame because I'm trying to cut down on buying since my keyvip is huge and I'd rather skip this set, but a Terayama would be amazing.
I feel you. I'm in the process of moving, have not made a meaningful dent in my watchlist in months (kitchen renovation, house sale, stress, etc.) but in cases like this I feel obligated to support!

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#1198 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:13 pm
Consider me rather surprised that I have absolutely no knowledge of every name you wrote after Oshima.
Do we even know if Arrow has more well known Iranian films that were blaming them for weird priorities?
They might not. I was merely going off of the reaponse he had when someone asked about A Moment of Innocence on twitter:
Would be lovely, if only there were greater enthusiasm for Iranian films! Would love to do more Makhmalbaf but more people need to buy The Poetic Trilogy first!
As I've said before it's just a very weird release to make that kind of judgment on.

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#1199 Post by dwk » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:38 pm

In the Aftermath is getting a US release in September.

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#1200 Post by dda1996a » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:53 pm

What if he's just saying this just to get us to buy these sets?

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