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#101 Post by AK » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:45 pm

kristophers wrote:
Moridin wrote:Is there any way to know if this set is sold out? I'm a bit late to the party, but just ordered it from Amazon.co.uk and it said that estimated delivery was 1 to 3 months.
I think it was just a mix up with Amazon, I noticed the same. My order shipped out yesterday.
Definitely. It's now back in stock. Ordered mine today, estimated arrival in a week or two. Have only seen "Heroic Purgatory", at the time completely out of the blue so I had really no expectations going in, but as it's such a great film I'm now completely stoked for the other two films in the set.

Here's hoping this box sells so well that it encourages Arrow to release more of Yoshida's films. And if not, at least we'll have a stunning set like this.

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#102 Post by kekid » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:10 pm

I have seen only the David Desser introduction and the first few minutes of the director's cut so far. In his introduction David says that the shorter version does not have anything that the longer director's cut does not have. It is constructed by either trimming scenes or eliminating entire scenes. If that is true, then the brightness / contrast of corresponding images should be identical. They clearly are not. As mentioned before, and demonstrated in the screen captures, the director's cut has an over-exposed look compared to the shorter cut. Since it has been confirmed by Michael and David that the images represent director's preferences, we must conclude that Yoshida chose the over-exposed look for the director's cut, but decided that a more conventional look was appropriate for the shorter cut. He chose not to make the looks of the two cuts comparable for the restoration.
This raises questions of the rationale behind the aesthetic decisions. At least for me the washed-out look of the director's cut is a distraction. Why do we think Yoshida wanted it to look this way? And if he had a reason, why did that reason not apply to the shorter cut? Finally, if upon re-thinking he chose to change the look of the shorter cut, why would he not make that correction to the original, given an opportunity?
Did anyone have an opportunity to ask these "why" questions, rather than "what" questions"? I would appreciate people sharing thoughts about these questions. Thank you.

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#103 Post by swo17 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:13 pm


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#104 Post by kekid » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:21 pm

I am not sure that anyone has speculated on why the look of the director's cut is the way it is - not a technical reason but an aesthetic rationale. We do not see B&W films that look this way. If this is the authentic representation, why?

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#105 Post by AK » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:28 pm

kekid wrote:In his introduction David says that the shorter version does not have anything that the longer director's cut does not have. It is constructed by either trimming scenes or eliminating entire scenes. If that is true, then the brightness / contrast of corresponding images should be identical.
You have a good question there, but from how you write it, David seems to be talking about the material that's included, not the brightness or contrast of that material. That is, the theatrical cut is a merely trimmed down version. I wouldn't read too much into it.

(I'm commenting without having seen neither the introduction nor the director's cut, so there you go.)

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#106 Post by tenia » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:41 pm

kekid wrote:
I am not sure that anyone has speculated on why the look of the director's cut is the way it is - not a technical reason but an aesthetic rationale. We do not see B&W films that look this way. If this is the authentic representation, why?
Yoshida himself pushed the visual aspect of the movie.
While the DC has been scanned from the better material, allowing to obtain the proper respectful look, the TC hasn't because it's sourced from lesser material.
That's it. There's nothing more about it to read into.

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#108 Post by jsteffe » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:43 am

I can see what this reviewer is getting at, and I think he is right. If you look at the films in this set as a whole, Yoshida uses black-and-white film stock in an incredibly rich and thoughtful way, with varying densities from shot to shot. Many of the shots have a strongly graphic, almost two-dimensional effect. The director's cut of Eros + Massacre pushes the use of overexposure to the limit, but it works as a coherent aesthetic. The individual shots still have density and atmosphere - it's like sculpting in light. The theatrical cut looks more "normal" superficially because the midtones are pushed down into the range that we are used to expecting, but I miss the delicate precision of the director's cut. Yoshida is such a masterful visual artist!

The only other film I can think of that uses overexposure so extensively and systematically is A Well for the Thirsty by Yuri Illienko, but Eros + Massacre arguably demonstrates more technical facility in this area. I find the Blu-ray captivating.

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#109 Post by Raymond Marble » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:41 pm

Can someone perhaps post a link to two to a useful review of this set? I was hoping the new Sight & Sound would have one, but the issue I just received did not. (I'm in the U.S., so a little behind.) Something along the lines of what you'd find in Sight & Sound would be ideal, as opposed to, say, what you find on dvdbeaver.

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#110 Post by EddieLarkin » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:03 pm

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#111 Post by Bürgermeister » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:10 pm

Has anybody noticed the "halo" effect going on through out Heroic Purgatory?
Especially around 3 mins, when the guy is walking around, and the woman is sat at the desk.

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#112 Post by Ribs » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:49 am

It doesn't really need to be stated but I just finished the Director's Cut after this being a blind-buy (albeit having just watched ~25 Japanese New Wave films in the past six weeks whilst reading Desser's book) and it exceeded all of my expectations and then some. More like this, please!

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#113 Post by dda1996a » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:26 pm

Ribs wrote:It doesn't really need to be stated but I just finished the Director's Cut after this being a blind-buy (albeit having just watched ~25 Japanese New Wave films in the past six weeks whilst reading Desser's book) and it exceeded all of my expectations and then some. More like this, please!
Have you watched the other 2 (and regular cut of Erros) and can comment on their worth? Sadly I am just getting into Japanese cinema, and while Ghibli and Kurosawa are all personal favourites I have yet to dip into the New Wave (except for Tokyo Drifter, which is great). I am asking because for 3 1/2 films this is really expensive to blind buy.

Does anyone know if Arrow is planning a later individual blu-ray release?

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#114 Post by antnield » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:57 am

80% sold out.

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#115 Post by Ribs » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:30 am

dda1996a wrote:
Ribs wrote:It doesn't really need to be stated but I just finished the Director's Cut after this being a blind-buy (albeit having just watched ~25 Japanese New Wave films in the past six weeks whilst reading Desser's book) and it exceeded all of my expectations and then some. More like this, please!
Have you watched the other 2 (and regular cut of Erros) and can comment on their worth? Sadly I am just getting into Japanese cinema, and while Ghibli and Kurosawa are all personal favourites I have yet to dip into the New Wave (except for Tokyo Drifter, which is great). I am asking because for 3 1/2 films this is really expensive to blind buy.

Does anyone know if Arrow is planning a later individual blu-ray release?
Sorry, only just saw this post.

Though the other two films are good this set is very much Eros and everything else. Heroic Purgatory is practically impenetrable even considering the avant garde nature of the rest of this set; after literally reading a book preparing me for the complexities of Eros + Massacre, I felt incredibly lost when I had absolutely no idea what to expect. It's very beautiful and still recommended but bear in mind it's not an easy film to process.

Coup d'Etat is the most straightforward of the set and it's very good. I'm not really sure what else to say about it; I'd put it in the top quarter of all the New Wave stuff I've watched (with the caveat that it falls techically outside the period).

I have really no interest in the theatrical version of Eros but I thought I'd mention here in case anyone hasn't dived in that the Desser extras on the theatrical version are meant to be watched before those on the extended version, as in the latter he keeps citing back to his earlier observations.

I'd recommend watching some other New Wave stuff to get some idea of what was happening at the time rather than diving in blind, but basically nothing can adequately synthesize what the movie is like, it's absolutely one of, if not the, culmination(s) of the period.

The news that this has almost sold out is mildly shocking to me but I think practically ensures a follow-up set (if not several), if not Yoshida then maybe Terayama. I am over the moon.

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#116 Post by Calvin » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:00 pm

antnield wrote:80% sold out.
That's good to hear. Bodes well for future Japanese sets of this ilk (Terayama! Wakamatsu! Jissoji!) as well as Yoshima Vol. 2, I would hope.

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#117 Post by zedz » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:51 pm

Ribs wrote:Heroic Purgatory is practically impenetrable even considering the avant garde nature of the rest of this set; after literally reading a book preparing me for the complexities of Eros + Massacre, I felt incredibly lost when I had absolutely no idea what to expect. It's very beautiful and still recommended but bear in mind it's not an easy film to process.
It was totally impenetrable when I watched it with French subs on its earlier DVD release. This time through I found it much easier to follow. I haven't entirely got my head around the intricacies of the plot, but I get the general picture now. There's a certain allegorical sense of several generations of activists dealing with the same problems in slightly different guises (which is cued by the cyclical nature of the AMPO protests): such as interchangeable ambassadors they want to abduct, or the constant threat of treachery. Over this is layered a tacitly feminist critique of imposed gender roles, with the female characters posited as blank slates on which the male power structure projects a limited number of roles: mother, daughter, wife, victim. In one particularly memorable scene, the 'projection' metaphor is literal: in a film made of a sexual assault, the woman is either a victim or invisible. These female roles can be fluid and interchangeable, but their absence cannot be tolerated.

As in Eros Plus Massacre, there's a sense of the past (and the future) being a subjective construction, so the shifts in time don't obey the codes of cinematic 'naturalism'. Thus characters appearing as their past and future selves generally look like they do in the present, apart from occasional feints at fancy dress. Which is a nifty psychological trick, but does make the shifts in time harder to follow. You really need to latch onto the various temporal clues (mention of dates, identifying ambassadorial letters, costume) to be able to reconstruct the order of events.

It's still much twistier than most of Yoshida's films, but not insurmountably obscure. The late sixties films made before these more overtly political films had difficulties of their own, but they weren't so structurally radical. They tended to be melodramatic subjects (really, really skewed 'women's films') decked out in outrageous stylistic invention and garnished with bizarre swerves of Lynchian dream logic. They're really fantastic, and I hope Arrow is bold enough to mine another box out of them.

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#118 Post by tomN245 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:03 pm

The 80% sold out is fantastic news!!!
Calvin wrote:
antnield wrote:80% sold out.
Terayama! Wakamatsu! Jissoji!
I agree! The three which came to my mind. Would Jissoji/Wakamatsu would get through BBFC uncut?

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#119 Post by Calvin » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:51 pm

tomN245 wrote: I agree! The three which came to my mind. Would Jissoji/Wakamatsu would get through BBFC uncut?
I'd imagine that the film that might give the BBFC the most trouble would be Terayama's Emperor Tomato Ketchup. I know it screened at the Tate a few years ago, but I don't think they had to put that one past the BBFC.

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#120 Post by SpiderBaby » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:30 pm

I would assume a Terayama set would feature the ATG films that was released on blu-ray in Japan a couple years ago.

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#121 Post by feihong » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:23 am

It would be great if it could include Grass Labyrinth as well, but that probably isn't likely.

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#122 Post by jfish226 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:52 pm

What is the encoding for this release? I know it's All Region but will it play on NTSC players?

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#123 Post by David M. » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:14 pm

23.98fps in both cases, so yes it will. There's no 50hz content anywhere on the discs.

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#124 Post by jfish226 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:41 pm

Okay, thank you! I don't have a Region Free player so this is great news for me. Would you happen to know if the UK release of Obsession and Blood and Black Lace are like this set as well?

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#125 Post by MichaelB » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:43 pm

Blood and Black Lace is 100% US-friendly - indeed, the same discs would have come out in the US if a rights issue hadn't intervened.

Not sure about Obsession, but I think it's region-free.

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