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#1 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:32 pm

The Wachowskis come to the Netflix TV serial world . Anyone else checking this out? I'm watching it because BAE Doona is in it. Only 2 episodes in so far. Reviews suggest this doesn't really make it off the ground until eps. 3 or 4.

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#2 Post by david hare » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:25 pm

Much as I liked a lot of Cloud Atlas, I am here more irritated than entranced by the Wochalski's apparently now permanennt adoption of the multi personalized simulltaneity of angelical, telepathically enabled characters who are driven on some sort of world saving missions for picture after picture.

I thought the long Twyker stretches of Atlas (In "contemporary" settings) were made with great care and space for characterization and detail, but the Wochalski's own material seems to inevitably fall into the action martial arts mumbo jumbo and loud butch music syndrome to such a repetitive degree, and I am bothered by the way this totally undermines dramatic tension about characters we might care about (like the trans) and their major narrative transitions.

It's not all bad - the sheer volume of gay and trans material and characters in it almost qualifies it for the annual Rainbow award, but they seem to have fallen into this "reincarnation/simultaneity" trope for good these days, what with this, Jupiter and Cloud Atlas, just as they did with the Matrix trilogy. They need to go out more. The gorgeous urban bling and set design (and some of the very cute men) are not enough.

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#3 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:45 pm

Well -- I have imposed on myself the obligation to watch every Bae Doona show and movie I can find, so I must soldier on. ;-}

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#4 Post by david hare » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:14 pm

I sympathize Michael. Feel the same way about Miguel Angel Silvestre.

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#5 Post by YnEoS » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:38 pm

I really want to give this a shot because of J. Michael Straczynski's involvement, as Babylon 5 is easily the best sci-fi show from the 1990s. But as much as I like things that Straczynski and The Wachowskis have done, I feel like my least favorite parts of both of their works is when they go for spiritual new age philosophy type stuff (if that's the right wording) , and I'm worried the collaboration will only bring out those aspects more to the forefront.

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#6 Post by david hare » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:18 pm

Only up to ep 8 myself but I don't think you need to fear the glowing of crystals and the hum of Buddha Bar LPs and the burning of essential oils here. If the writer is sublimating the narrative to anything it's cliffhanging action in multiples. The emphasis so far is more on the multi-location bling and production design.

And I apologize for mis-spelling the director's names so far. I keep channelling my inner Bronx.

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#7 Post by Michael Kerpan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:26 pm

Watched up through 5 -- and still liking it. Enjoying the little bits of humor here and there as much as the suspense...

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#8 Post by jbeall » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:24 am

Nine episodes in and I think the show is finding its stride. Still probably one or two too many storylines for everything to be manageable, but the conspiracy storyline is picking up steam. (Also, loved the fight/chase sequence in episode 8.)

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#9 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:47 pm

Finished with season 1. When is season 2 likely to appear (assuming it gets made)? ;-)

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#10 Post by jbeall » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:36 am

As far as I can tell, that's still up in the air.

I really enjoyed the series. The Wachowskis definitely aren't going for realism, and a lot of the fun lies in how
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this television show is about a love of cheesy movies. Indeed, several of the characters are living in explicitly generic "movies": Wolfgang is basically a Schwarzenegger movie hero; in a hilarious and thrilling scene in episode 11, Capheus uses his bus to become a Van Damme hero; and Lito's storyline is mostly straight-up melodrama. So when the sensates are helping each other, it's a situation of a character from another genre intruding into a narrative where he or she doesn't belong.
I really hope Netflix greenlights season 2. I think television may be a better format for the Wachowskis, as it gives them more time to develop their ideas instead of shoehorning them all into an inevitably cluttered movie.

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#11 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:07 pm

jbeall I think you are on to something.

I think it is also interesting that each of the eight seem to have a somewhat different level of inter-connection with the "cluster" and with the world around them (outside the eight of them).

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#12 Post by david hare » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:13 am

Surely high point of this years' TV so far must be the totally hot, fabulous orgy montage set to the Macy Grey, Fatboy Slim Demons number in Ep. 6.

Killer!

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#13 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:16 am

You look familiar.

We had sex.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, guys, we have someone to rescue.

(or something like that)

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#14 Post by david hare » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:22 pm

Having given up my own demon drink some time ago I think if you still wanted to get ripped off your tits, without actually taking the gear, this is one dandy way to do it. Then preferably (and with luck) do it for real.

I had no idea (did anyone here?) Lana Wachowski, formerly Larry is in life a trans woman. As is Jamie Clayton playing the trans character here, Nomi. I just wish the show could lose a couple of entirely superfluous characters and give her segments far more space. She's the best Gay/Lesbian Trans person happening in popular culture this year. She's even melted an gnarled old heart like mine.

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#15 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:46 pm

It seemed that the Larry to Lana Wachowski transition was built into a big story around the time of the Matrix sequels with the press apparently being told that they would have to go back to interviews on the original Matrix DVDs for footage of the directors rather than getting access during the promotion of the sequels (though I may be misremembering). That seemed to cause a little hostility among the press as the time, and it all seemed to be trying to get tied in a bit with the directors not wanting to speak too much about the themes of their work themselves or do commentary tracks (though they had done one for Bound early on), hence something like the paired critics and philosophers commentaries on the eventual DVD release of the Matrix trilogy. But there ended up being a lot of behind the scenes footage in which they both appeared on the Matrix DVDs and all of the films since, so any issues of 'reclusiveness' and reasons around that being brought up in the press seem to have fallen by the wayside now.

I suppose the most relevant and interesting part of the whole Lana Wachowski transition to the films they have made is perhaps just that it seems to highlight the fluid sense of shifting identities in their work. The critic commentary noted it during the club scenes of the Matrix films (in not an entirely complimentary way!) when they talked about the youthful sense of being just any one race just not being 'cool', something which adds a sense of interconnection, though runs the risk of making every character blandly interchangable also! I haven't seen the Sense8 series yet but something like the same actors taking on different roles in the multiple interconnected timelines of Cloud Atlas seems like the best statement of those kinds of themes that the Wachowskis have made so far.

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#16 Post by david hare » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:58 pm

I agree Colin, the cross casting of actors is a very successful formal element in Cloud Atlas.

Their inclination to bloat which overtook the Matrix sequels, is still threatening to dilute some of my pleasure in Sense8 - there are simply too many participants in the roundelay and the inclusion of the African and Indian components is perhaps just a grab for commercial geo relevance. But hey, as Yneos says, the whole thing has been done in a grand spirit of fun, if not meta camp. I am buying the trans and gay/bi aspects of it a lot, and I think the Wachowski's decision to weight the LGBT into the texture of this show is decidedly political. More power to them!!! And us, hey! (he says sounding like a New Zealander!!)

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#18 Post by jbeall » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:07 pm

Very happy to hear this. The second season will begin with all of the sensates knowing who/what they are, so there should be a lot less set-up and exposition than in season one. At the same time, I hope there's a good editor to enforce some narrative discipline on the Wachowskis. Their ambition is admirable, but also sometimes their worst enemy.

Offhand,
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what happens with Riley and Will? The last we saw them, she was again injecting him with a tranquilizer in order to keep him unconscious and their location from Whispers. So they either need to keep him nearly constantly unconscious, or put him in a location where there are no identifying markers--Will can't even know where he is. Also, Whispers can probably do some back-hacking to discern that Nomi is still in SF, so she's gotta get (more) off the grid, and quickly.
That said, here's to another round of psychic bathhouse orgies and becoming your favorite genre-movie character (not necessarily at the same time)!

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#19 Post by Michael Kerpan » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:41 pm

Looking forward to this. Hopefully, no second season letdown in this series....

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#20 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:22 pm

Filming for the second season will supposedly start (in earnest) in March.

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#22 Post by jbeall » Thu May 26, 2016 7:07 pm

Lilly Wachowski is taking a break from the series, leaving Lana as showrunner for season 2. (If the picture in this article ain't NSFW, it's mighty close!)



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#25 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue May 16, 2017 10:21 pm

Anyone else watching -- we're now 9/11ths of the way through. The Holiday show was a bit weird, but the rest of season 2 has seemed pretty good so far...

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