Claire Denis on DVD

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Barmy
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#51 Post by Barmy » Thu May 18, 2006 1:43 pm

I guess they are trying to market it to horror buffs.

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#52 Post by Oedipax » Thu May 18, 2006 3:11 pm

Does anyone know if there's a difference between the two UK releases of Trouble Every Day? The teeth cover one goes for £3.97 and the other a whopping £19.99. Different transfers? Different extras? Did Tartan lose the rights? If anyone can shed some light on this I'd be very thankful. As a Denis fan, I'm pretty much required to order it for £3.97, provided it isn't an awful disc.

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#53 Post by Anonymous » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:29 am

I remember when I was first exposed to Claire Denis at the Melbourne International Film Festival, where they had a retrospective of her films (around when Beau Travail did the rounds). Unfortunately I couldn't see all her films then, but with those I did see (I Can't Sleep, Chocolat, No Fear No Die) I was struck by the feeling that I believe the films could've run for 5 hours and I would've been just as inthralled. Not since Tarkovsky and Marker had I seen cinema so mesmerising.
and the sound and cinematography just keep getting better (though I thought Friday Night's imagery was so perfect it actually became too distracting, and I didn't quite enjoy this as much). I'd love to hear someone's thoughts on the US DVD of I Can't Sleep, as has been mentioned Denis get's rather neglected on DVD (just like Tsai Ming-Liang). I wish Wellspring would just die die die!

On Trouble Every Day, I remember not thinking much the first time I saw it, but since have seen it a few times and find it gets better each time. Naturally the Tindersticks s/track (something missing also from Friday Night) is wonderful, but the mood it creates is amazing. And Intruder, I really need to see again - Mirror is a very good comparison for the effect on the viewer it creates.

One last thing - Denis' films like all great celuloid need to be seen at the cinema to be truly appreciated, you just can't immerse yourself in them on a TV screen...

I think i could keep talking forever right now :roll:
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#54 Post by franco » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:31 am

I find Trouble Every Day utterly enthralling. The character interactions are so rich in details and so intense in emotions that I cannot take my eyes away. My favorite scene has to be the one when Shane and June, after entering their hotel room, attempt to make out on the bed that is yet to be made. When they finally register the presence of the maid, June starts to help her with the bed sheet. It's one of these moments, for me, that not only change the way I see things, but also change the things I see. (Phrase stolen from here)

Having read Nancy's essay and done a few comparisons, I now find L'Intrus far more straight-forward and umambiguous than, say, Beau Travail. What Denis has done here is taking Nancy's abstract concepts and inserting them into the connotative space of her images. Her achievement is indeed remarkable in translating someone's stream of consciousness into an image discourse.

For instance, Denis illustrates Nancy's idea of dual identities (brought by the foreign heart) by literally having character doubles. For Nancy, this stranger also seems to have always lain dormant within him. Certainly the idea of a dormant intruder coming from within is brought alive by Louis' alter ego or conscience – Katia's role. Similarly, Sidney's immense longing for his father finds its resonance in the wild woman, who is constantly searching for something and eventually finds her way to Louis' abandoned cabin. As though following her footsteps, Sidney will also find his way to the same location and wear the very same crown of thorns that the wild woman has once put on.
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Considering its connotation, one may find the final revelation less unexpected, although not in any degree less poignant.
It's really fun and rewarding to decode L'Intrus. I encourage anyone who still haven't done so to seek out Nancy's original essay.

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#55 Post by Anonymous » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:08 am

franco wrote:It's really fun and rewarding to decode L'Intrus. I encourage anyone who still haven't done so to seek out Nancy's original essay.
when you say essay do you mean his book that Denis based her film on, or the segment that acquarello mentioned in Ten Minutes Older? Does anyone know if the book can be found in English (for the sadly mono-lingual among us)?

by the way zedz, if fairly certain Chocolat has cinematography by Agnes Godard, she's been with Denis since the beginning... and those who haven't should read this fantastic interview with Denis from 2000

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#56 Post by Oedipax » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:28 am

entizari wrote:Does anyone know if the book can be found in English (for the sadly mono-lingual among us)?
Indeed it can - here it is as a pdf

Edit: Also, not to be a pain in the ass about it, but does no one really know the difference (if any) between the R2 Trouble Every Day releases?
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#57 Post by franco » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:28 am

Yes, I meant Nancy's short story. the English translation can be found here but you need access to a library network.

That's right, it's Agnes Godard for Chocolat. At least she's hanging around on the set.

Here's also an insightful essay

EDIT: Oh thanks Oedipax :D

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#58 Post by Anonymous » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:17 am

don't know for sure about the difference between the 2 DVDs of Trouble Every Day Oedipax, but the cheaper one is the exact same cover as the Australian R4 if I remember rightly, so maybe it's just an import that's not listed as such?
Maybe you should email Sendit, or whoever, about it. assuming they know their own stock listings, which isn't always guarenteed when you're dealing with customer service staff. I think someone mentioned the R4 has a nice picture, but I can't see it being that cheap.
I've got the Tartan, which is fine, though of course is minus the commentary :( ...

thanks very much for the story link by the way

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#59 Post by colinr0380 » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:09 am

Oedipax wrote:Edit: Also, not to be a pain in the ass about it, but does no one really know the difference (if any) between the R2 Trouble Every Day releases?
It looks like the teeth cover one is a budget rerelease. From those Amazon sites it came out October 2005, two and a half years after the Tartan release (April 2003 according to Amazon).

It is two different companies as well from the look of it - the rerelease is by Prism Entertainment. The Amazon site says that the RRP is £5.99, which was then discounted on the Amazon site to the £3.97. The rerelease is also advertised on MovieMail. Movie Mail does not list the Tartan version which might suggest that the Tartan release is out of print or going out of print, but it is still being advertised on Tartan Video's website

After all that there doesn't seem to be much difference between them - strangely the Amazon site lists a Claire Denis audio commentary on the Tartan disc but the box cover and the Tartan website do not mention this, so I think neither disc has this extra. The only other difference seems to be that the soundtrack on the Tartan is 5.1, compared to the rerelease which the Amazon page only has down as stereo.

Perhaps it was a really poor seller at £19.99 for just the film, and Tartan don't seem to do budget rereleases so perhaps they let the rights go to Prism?

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#60 Post by david hare » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:21 pm

The R4 is a port of the Tartan, also lacking the Denis commentary.

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#61 Post by zedz » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:50 pm

entizari wrote: by the way zedz, if fairly certain Chocolat has cinematography by Agnes Godard, she's been with Denis since the beginning...
I don't even remember the context for this (and I'm too lazy to scroll back), but the DP on Chocolat was Robert Alazraki. Anges was the camera operator, but I'm pretty sure my point was that, fine as the cinematography is, it doesn't have the same distinctive Godard touch of the later films. Much more conventionally pretty, for example, less tactile.

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#62 Post by david hare » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:02 pm

Yes, also setups, composition and blocking of actors on Chocolat are all much more "conventional". (But I still like it very much.)

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#63 Post by Anonymous » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:39 am

finding context on message boards if always difficult.
I thought it was Agnes as DP, but camera op. is close enough i guess. personally I thought the cinematography really suited Chocolat, in its stillness in distance, even if it was more conventional. That said I do prefer Godard's more tactile work in Denis' later films too. more moody and erotic. I think both Denis & Godard developed together film by film, and make one of those wonderful teams that, I think, were Denis to make a film now without Godard, it just would not have the same style or intensity. something would feel to be missing.
ie look what happens when Cronenberg makes a film without one of his inner circle (although here I think his films become damaged even when he works from someone else's script-but I better stop here before I divert this topic onto someone else entirely)

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#64 Post by Don Lope de Aguirre » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:46 am

Chocolat is a superb debut! Some of the cinematography, to me, seemed very Tarkovskij flavoured. She uses a few languid tracking shots that she since completely eradicated... I think she worked for him at some point (her CV is pretty impressive as an assistant).

Has anyone seen her latest doc 'Vers Mathilde'?

(I'm hoping this and the latest Akerman will see daylight but I'm not holding my breath...) :roll:

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#65 Post by Anonymous » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:27 am

Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:Has anyone seen her latest doc 'Vers Mathilde'?
the Melbourne International Film Festival (or MIFF for the time-deprived) program comes out tomorrow, so with luck I'll find Vers Mathilde to be included, and will be able to talk of it in about a month, though I wouldn't hold my breath. I'll be glad when the current festival director leaves MIFF after this year, as I don't really share his taste in film. Though my pockets are rather happy for this...

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#66 Post by yoshimori » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:56 am

Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:Has anyone seen her latest doc 'Vers Mathilde'?
Saw it in Hong Kong.

Part master class, part making-of doc. In case you don't already know, the Mathilde in question is Mathilde Monnier, choreographer at the Centre National Montpellier Languedoc Roussillon. The film charts the evolution of a Monnier dance piece that involves both long stretches of "walking" and cages made of lots of gigantic rubber bands. Grainy super-8 and super-16 footage.

Not much like Denis' fiction work, but engaging enough to keep me in the theater.

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#67 Post by Anonymous » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:50 am

well, as half expected, I won't get the chance to find out what it's like for myself, as its not showing at MIFF. Sounds interesting though, but perhaps not quite worth losing any sleep over (not that I'm that obsessive over film anymore :roll: )

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#68 Post by Dylan » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:44 am

Has anybody seen Claire's segment "U.S. Go Home," from the series "All the Boys and Girls in Their Time?"

Review here

And anybody know the aspect ratio of "Nanette et Boni?"

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#69 Post by zedz » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:47 pm

Dylan wrote:Has anybody seen Claire's segment "U.S. Go Home," from the series "All the Boys and Girls in Their Time?"
Yes. It's a typically excellent film, one of the best of the series (of which I think the masterpiece is Assayas' L'Eau froide - the evil twin of Dazed and Confused; the Akerman is also excellent).

I've seen most of the films, and generally, the whole series is worthwhile. It's ridiculous that nobody's managed to get them all out on DVD. Among the lesser entries there's a touch of sameness (a lot of these films, including some of the best ones, are direct descendants of Pialat's Passe ton bac d'abord, so there's a strong familial resemblance involved), but the biographical particulars of the brief generate sufficient individuality to keep everything interesting.

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#70 Post by Dylan » Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:31 pm

Sounds great. Are they available at all, even on VHS or maybe on some 'unofficial releases' webpage (of course with English subtitles)? I'd really like to see these. David(hare), have you seen these as well?

And Zedz, "Nanette et Boni" is your favorite Denis, right? Do you remember it's original aspect ratio, or did you see it on VHS? There's a cheap VHS online I might buy, seeing as that no DVD release is on the horizon.

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#71 Post by david hare » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:05 pm

Dylan alas never seen. Don't expect even French DVDs soon. Denis is totally underrepresented on the shelves in France.

I think some of our Euro posters might be able to help us out with "unofficial" divx Euro download Sites.

I always assumed Nenette et Boni was 1.66. Zedz?

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#72 Post by zedz » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:19 pm

Dylan wrote:And Zedz, "Nanette et Boni" is your favorite Denis, right? Do you remember it's original aspect ratio, or did you see it on VHS? There's a cheap VHS online I might buy, seeing as that no DVD release is on the horizon.
I have a terrible memory for aspect ratios (other than ones at either extreme). I saw this on the big screen when it was first doing the rounds. Sublime! Two of the most perfect image / music fusions I know of: 'God Only Knows' (Vincent Gallo's finest three minutes?) and 'Tiny Tears' (Stuart Staples and Gregoire Colin's finest four?).

I've also got a very poor subtitled Korean - or Hong Kong - DVD. I'll check the AR on that, but I wouldn't count on it being correct. (It looks like a smeary video transfer.)

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#73 Post by franco » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:38 pm

zedz wrote:I've also got a very poor subtitled Korean - or Hong Kong - DVD. I'll check the AR on that, but I wouldn't count on it being correct. (It looks like a smeary video transfer.)
Are you talking about this one, Zedz? Looks like it came from Taiwan.

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#74 Post by Dylan » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:56 pm

'God Only Knows' (Vincent Gallo's finest three minutes?)
Alright, now I need to see this.

It looks like the Taiwan DVD isn't available, but a VCD (subtitled?) is. Can anybody vouch for this?

I'll likely just get the VHS, since it's really cheap and the subtitles are probably better (and if it's only 1.66 I'm not missing much). Then again, that VCD is dirt cheap as well.

Any other alternatives?

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#75 Post by zedz » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:23 am

franco wrote:
zedz wrote:I've also got a very poor subtitled Korean - or Hong Kong - DVD. I'll check the AR on that, but I wouldn't count on it being correct. (It looks like a smeary video transfer.)
Are you talking about this one, Zedz? Looks like it came from Taiwan.
That's the one!

Wasn't this released recently (unsubbed) in France? It's not currently available from either Amazon or Alapage, but a single copy is for sale from one of Amazon's sellers. It's accompanied by No Fear No Die, which I'd love to see.

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