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Re: Hong Sang-soo

#51 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:57 am

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Loved The Power of Kangwon Province. I particularly liked the use of reflections throughout the film, often using windows that are angled to show characters leaving shot directly behind the camera, which creates a nice 360° sense enveloping the audience as someone disappears both towards and past the camera as well as away from it and further into frame in their reflection. I thought that was quite a neat use of space.

There is a simpler her/him structure this time, though in this one the time periods overlap instead of follow on from one another. I liked the way that Ji-Sook and her friend's trip is the shorter but more significant in plot and event terms and then then the longer time spent on Sang-Kwon's trip is less incident packed but has a lot of resonances back to the earlier section, though not exactly in a cause and effect way. What seemed the innocent almost childish fun trip for Ji-Sook and her friends becomes something consequence filled, while the adult teacher's journey becomes very superficial (ending with a couple of escort girls, disappointing sex and an argument about paying for their meal at the club so as not to lose face).

I like the way that there is a slight temporal overlap in the way the stories are handled following the Ji-Sook sequence and the move to Sang-Kwon we spend some time with him in a few scenes giving some context to his home and job-searching life before he embarks on his trip with his friend/potential workmate. Then, while he meets Ji-Sook a scene before the end of his section (and the film), I feel that this hotel room scene between them takes place just after Ji-Sook makes her second trip to Kangwon to meet the policeman again. Her scene of crying inconsolably in the bus at the end of her sequence therefore to me feels like it temporally coincides with Sangkwon finding that only one fish now remains in its makeshift bowl.

I also like that the hotel room meeting between the Jisook and Sangkwon completely recontextualises Ji-Sook's story and sent me reeling back through the film to see how it was affected by this new knowledge. That seems from these two films to be a Hong Sang-soo trademark, necessitating at least a second viewing to gain a new perspective on events now being in possession of the previously withheld knowledge.

This might just have been me being naive but I initially responded to her section as being sexless and that she and the policeman had an attraction (maybe permitted by the way that Ji-Sook's friend has a fight with her about already being in a relationship with a married man, so it shows that the policeman's marriage isn't necessarily a barrier to their relationship!), cuddled together that one night when drunk, and her wish to actually begin a relationship with the policeman led to her second trip to Kangwon on her own. From that I assumed that her anger towards the policeman for keeping her waiting was some kind of assertion of her power in this potential relationship and that she would be cuckolding him. Then the policeman's comment that he was thinking of leaving the police sort of shatters her illusions about him, of the authority he would have without a uniform. So both of them end up unable to properly talk to each other, leave on genial terms but a relationship is a complete impossibility between them.

It becomes obvious relatively early on in his section that Sangkwon is the married man who Jisook was having an affair with. We see his seemingly happy home life but also his half-hearted attempts to find work as a teacher (needing to be cajoled into putting the application in by his wife and friend!) Again, in his interactions with the woman who is due for a fateful appointment off of a cliff, the escort girls and eventually Jisook herself there is a sense of impotence in life being expressed through an overactive libido. The way he is rebuffed in the first instance and has the girl underneath him constantly begging him to finish up in the second, perhaps is what leads to using Jisook for oral sex even despite her rather upsetting revelation.
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Jisook's abortion completely changes the nature of her previous encounter with the policeman, making that friendly drunk cuddling into something more disturbing and as almost a date rape. It also explains Jisook getting upset at being left to wait for the policeman to pick her up, her angry scene seeming more genuine upset than power posturing, as well as helping to explain the meaning behind some of the smaller moments such as the scales or finding the taste of her drink bitter. She leaves the policeman completely in the dark about her pregnancy, but the structure has let us experience what the policeman must have been feeling, the confusion without properly understanding why. Though his knowledge of the consequences of having sex during her first visit must have been at the back of his mind and is likely what inspires his drunken half-suicide attempt from a balcony, a call back to the earlier film that had an enigmatic relationship with balconies?


But beyond the plotting I particularly liked the many juxtapositions - the country and the city being an obvious one, but also the fish that Jisook finds on the road compares to the fish that Sangkwon takes in an looks after during his section (which themselves get compared to a healthier fish in a real fishtank that turns out to be one of those restaurant displays - so it gets scooped out and ends up on a dinnerplate!); Jisook's aborted child and stunted relationship with the policeman compared to Sangkwon's abandoning of his wife and child for a busman's holiday; Sangkwon's friend rejecting the more expensive Japanese imported eyedrops for a cheaper local kind comparing to Sangkwon insisting on paying for everything during their trip, as if aware of his friend’s feeling of imposition and wanting to reverse the tables so that his friend knows what it is like to be in someone else's debt; Sangkwon's trip to the monastery and seeing Jisook's message; that darn Perfect Day song getting played in a loop at the faculty dinner, with its heavy handed message of "You reap just what you sow" seeming apt for this film but also reminding me of the way that it was the song that the BBC used throughout 1997 to clumsily threaten viewers with the absolute necessity of the licence fee! (Before the "You wouldn't steal a car" infomercial perhaps the most patronising and insulting trail ever produced in its "reap! reap! what you sow!" refrain and "Start or Stop?" button!)

Also the way that Sangkwon after dropping off his application form is seen on a road with a stray dog and stops hidden behind a thin tree seems to relate to the way that when he is confronting the wife in a lobby area about not waiting for drinks with them the husband listening from a distance momentarily stops when hidden from view in the line of the glass doors. This made me think of Sangkwon being in some ways responsible for the wife's death by enflaming the husband's jealousy and causing him to throw her from the cliff!

The moment in the club where Sangkwon is seen on his own on the steps brooding which then moves into the argument scene with his friend about paying for everything bears relation to Day A Pig Fell Into The Well where our novelist is seen briefly sat in the lobby outside the dinner party before returning and escalating the mental conflict into an explicitly verbal and then physical one

The seemingly respectable (and older) wife and husband approaching a fateful and inevitable offscreen event suggests there are no particularly stable relationships left – it all seems to be about people withholding information from others or hurting them because of jealousy or needing to prove who has the upper hand in a relationship. Similarly in work life there is the powerful Professor that Sangkwon is courting with a visit to his home and the gift of some whiskey yet I didn't feel much sympathy towards him, mainly because he keeps his VHS tapes scattered about outside of their cases! Not to mention that in return for the whiskey he serves his guest some cola with some sort of insect floating in it! And finally he keeps Sangkwon's umbrella, even committing the cardinal sin of opening it up indoors! So there doesn't seem to be much hope for the older generation either to set an example!

The ending is again stunning, and feels like a call back to the ending of Day A Pig Fell Into The Well. It features another character at the end of one thread of their lives and on the verge of a new one (in this case Sangkwon is changing jobs) and the shot is even composed similarly, though the actions of the character are a little jumbled up from earlier - instead of a light space and the character putting papers down then turning to the balcony and opening a door, here it is a dark space and the character goes to the window and opens it first before turning back into the room and looking at the one remaining fish. There's a loneliness and introspection there, and strangely the thing that the final shot of the film reminded me of most was the final shot of Element of Crime!

I was left thinking that these characters probably hoped that a trip to a different place could let them leave all their troubles behind and let them have consequence free fun, but of course they end up taking their problems with them wherever they go, and even create new ones which throw new light on everything else leading up to that point.

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Re: Hong Sang-soo

#52 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:07 am

I've just remembered that on the trailer included on the Spectrum DVD there are a couple of alternate shots, the most interesting being the one of the policeman trying to add a sweetening sugar cube into Ji-sook's coffee but being unable to as she takes a drink from the cup first as if rejecting his attempt to help her. In the film itself he manages to pop the sugar cube into her cup as she begins to object! A nice little moment that completely changes the tenor of the scene and the relationship.

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Re: Hong Sang-soo

#53 Post by Michael Kerpan » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:01 pm

Excellent commentary on Power of Kangwon Province -- hope it lures a few more folks into exploring the wonderful, seedy world of HSS.

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#54 Post by zedz » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:35 pm

Great write-up!

One point:
colinr0380 wrote:the fish that Jisook finds on the road compares to the fish that Sangkwon takes in an looks after during his section
I've always assumed that it's the same fish (missing at the end of the film). Make of that what you will, but for me it opens up an entirely new dimension to the film and gives a different inflection to the film's title.

And did you mention the murder mystery? One of my favourite things about the film is that there's actually another film entirely, even darker, going on in the background, with wisps of causality tracing back to the main plot(s). Again, this enriches Hong's theme of subjectivity, of differing perspectives making a world of difference to the same basic events. Just wait till you see what he does with this idea in Virgin Stripped Bare!

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#55 Post by academyleader » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:06 pm

If you look carefully at the way Hong has filmed Ji-Sook's and Sang-Kwon’s journeys to Kangwon Province you can tell that the two journeys can be cut together into a single lengthy sequence of alternating shots. Hong simply doesn't intercut them. If you're curious to see what the two journeys would be like if they were intercut, I describe what alternating shots would be like and explain the visual logic that indicates the shots could be intercut at

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Hong knows how to construct shots for cross-cutting even if he chooses in this film not to intercut the resulting images.

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Re: Hong Sang-soo

#56 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:32 am

That's a fantastic timeline of events. Interestingly compared to certain films that jumble structure up to disguise some narrative limitations I could imagine the film being as satisfying if shown that way, although the structure beautifully shows the separation of the character's two worlds - even when they occupy many of the same locations they still fail to connect with each other in a meaningful way, and miss some of these potential 'cause and effect' connections that the audience can note.
zedz wrote:I've always assumed that it's the same fish (missing at the end of the film). Make of that what you will, but for me it opens up an entirely new dimension to the film and gives a different inflection to the film's title.
Ah! I never thought of that! You mean that Sang-kwon had taken one of the fish with him and that was that one that Ji-Sook found on the road and buried, still alive, rather than throwing back into the water? (which seems to eerily prefigure the abortion even before the conceptual sex takes place - of a potentially saveable life being killed)
And did you mention the murder mystery? One of my favourite things about the film is that there's actually another film entirely, even darker, going on in the background, with wisps of causality tracing back to the main plot(s). Again, this enriches Hong's theme of subjectivity, of differing perspectives making a world of difference to the same basic events.
I liked this very much, especially the way that after the murders of narratively significant characters in Day a Pig Fell Into The Well was downplayed in this film the murder is tellingly detached completely from personal impact on the main narratives. Though I wonder how much responsibility Sang-Kwon played in enflaming the husband's jealousy, that is really all he does and it is perhaps more tragic that his casual flirting might lead to devastating consequences for the woman.

I agree that the aspect I like most about the replaying of events twice over is that it adds a sort of fatefulness to the death - she is briefly resurrected only to follow the same path towards an unseen death again, accompanied by her tormented husband.
Just wait till you see what he does with this idea in Virgin Stripped Bare!
The Kangwon Province disc had an unsubbed trailer for the film, which looks absolutely beautiful but sadly that's as close as I'm going to get to it for the moment (maybe MoC after the Pialat retrospective could tackle Hong Sang-Soo? :D )

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#57 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:41 am

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The Kangwon Province disc had an unsubbed trailer for the film, which looks absolutely beautiful but sadly that's as close as I'm going to get to it for the moment (maybe MoC after the Pialat retrospective could tackle Hong Sang-Soo? :D )[/quote]

Well there's a MK2 set (Coffret hong sang-soo : turning gate ; la femme est l'avenir de l'homme) complete with Claire Denis interview ready to go for porting if they were up for it.

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#58 Post by zedz » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:29 pm

colinr0380 wrote:
zedz wrote:I've always assumed that it's the same fish (missing at the end of the film). Make of that what you will, but for me it opens up an entirely new dimension to the film and gives a different inflection to the film's title.
Ah! I never thought of that! You mean that Sang-kwon had taken one of the fish with him and that was that one that Ji-Sook found on the road and buried, still alive, rather than throwing back into the water? (which seems to eerily prefigure the abortion even before the conceptual sex takes place - of a potentially saveable life being killed)
No, I'm not thinking about natural agency at all. The finding of the fish is such a striking scene and the fact that it's 'rhymed' at the very end of the film (in a way that ties the two stories together so bizarrely) suggests to me something much more 'powerful'. It's impossible that it's the same fish, so to read the film that way you have to allow for the impossible. If the title wasn't already taken, Hong could have called this The Mystery of the Leaping Fish.

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#59 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:08 pm

Phew, I thought I'd missed something significant (which with this film feels all too easy to do!) I'd liked the idea of the unstated end of the relationship for Sang-kwon being literalised through the solitary fish whose whole world is that entire bowl but had not really read any more mystical reading into it, other than the way that the other fishes had significant moments occurring throughout the film.
If the title wasn't already taken, Hong could have called this The Mystery of the Leaping Fish.
How about The Fish Who Leapt Through Time? :D

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#60 Post by Michael Kerpan » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:40 pm

I've always felt that one feature of Hong's films was the (usually) slight intrusion of surrealist or absurdist elements very very occasionally into his usually naturalistic-seeming film world.

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#61 Post by colinr0380 » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:03 am

Is that one of the reasons for the comparisons to Antonioni that sometimes turn up in reviews - the similarity of using really on the nose meta-symbolisms, or metanyms, to suggest that the world is sort of reordering itself through the perceptions of the characters?

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#62 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:44 am

colinr0380 wrote:Is that one of the reasons for the comparisons to Antonioni that sometimes turn up in reviews - the similarity of using really on the nose meta-symbolisms, or metanyms, to suggest that the world is sort of reordering itself through the perceptions of the characters?
I defer to people who know more about Antonioni than I do to field this. ;~}

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#63 Post by Peacock » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:09 am

Does anyone own the Tai Seng dvd of Virgin Stripped Bare? Does the picture and subtitles look ok?

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#64 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:54 am

I used to have it and even did a comparison between it and the Spectrum remaster for another site (unfortunately the pics have vanished into the internet ether). The Tai Seng isn't a horrible disc, but detail in the shadows and highlights has been basically obliterated, as if someone decided the movie wasn't "black and white" enough and turned the contrast knob to 11. The Spectrum remaster shows far more detail and is generally more filmlike (grain and all) than the processed Tai Seng picture. I don't remember if Tai Seng's subs were any different, but they weren't bad enough to make me sit up and take notice. AFAIK the Tai Seng is the only in-print version with English subs, but if you can find the Korean remaster, that's a much better option. I've only seen screens of the original Korean release, but it looked much like the Tai Seng (I suspect they used the same master). But the Tai Seng has Cantonese and Mandarin dubs!!!!!

And just a little general alert: Night and Day is now on IFC On Demand, for those who can access it :/

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#65 Post by Peacock » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:42 pm

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:But the Tai Seng has Cantonese and Mandarin dubs!!!!!
As well as the original Korean right?!?
I think I found a remastered copy on ebay so i'll try ordering it!

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#66 Post by bigP » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:56 pm

Yep the Tai Seng has has the Korean track too and the subs are readable though hardly stellar. I second The Fanciful Norwegian's analysis - it's not terrible but if you can find an alternative transfer, it's probably worth tracking down. I've put up some screen caps of the Tai Seng if you want to take a look:

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#67 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:58 pm

Hafta say that looks worse than I remember, here's some comparison caps from the remaster:

#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6

(scene #2 doesn't capture well, it's less noisy in motion)

So yeah, get the remaster if you have the chance.

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#68 Post by bigP » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:45 pm

Oh wow, in comparison, the Tai Seng is pretty awful!

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#69 Post by James » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:00 pm

I didn't watch the entire DVD partially because I wasn't in the mood, but also partially because it was an awful, awful transfer.

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#70 Post by brunosh » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:53 pm

A bit of a treat at BFI Southbank on Friday – a screening of HaHaHa followed by a Q&A with Hong Sangsoo chaired by Tony Rayns. And rather than diving straight into the Q&A or breaking it up with clips of Hong’s features, the Q&A was unexpectedly prefaced by a showing of Lost in the Mountains.

HSS spoke good English, only occasionally looking for help from the translator. He is softly-spoken and seemed extremely relaxed and genial, confident in himself and frank in his answers, although unwilling to over-analyse his own films or to pass judgement on others. TR was at his amusing best, especially on the place of alcohol and drinking sessions in HSS’s films and, TR implied and HSS did not deny, HSS’s life.

Without repeating TR’s article in October’s issue of Sight and Sound, some of which was covered by the Q&A, I learnt the following:
• HSS decided to try out directing at the suggestion of a Korean theatre director
• After deciding that he was learning nothing in Korea, he attended film school in California and then Chicago
• Although his school in Chicago was best known for experimental film, he realised he could achieve what he wanted through narrative film upon seeing Journal of a Country Priest
• While not acknowledging them as influences (and, indeed refusing to be drawn on both who or what might have influenced him and whether and how he might have influenced younger Korean directors), HSS stated his liking for the films of some of the usual suspects – Bresson, Renoir, Ozu, Murnau and Ford and, after prompting from a member of the audience, Rohmer (although TR was quick to say he thinks resemblances between HSS’s and Rohmer’s works are limited, Rohmer standing dispassionately outside the narrative as opposed to HSS who empathises with his characters)
• The fact that in many of his films a character is a film director shouldn’t be taken as indicating that they are autobiographical, but merely that HSS feels he knows something about the profession of film-directing and finds it easier to assign this profession to a character than to research other professions
• His first three features were all fully-scripted before shooting, but he has increasingly found that writing dialogue on the morning it is shot is a more satisfactory and stimulating way for him to work
• He doesn’t allow his actors to improvise dialogue, but his first impression of them may influence script development of the characters they play
• The name HaHaHa (ha in Korean means both ‘summer’ and ‘left her’) came to him during a taxi ride during which he saw two ha’s interlocking on a signboard; he chose the English language title Virgin Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, adapting the name of Duchamp’s famous work which he had noticed in Paris some years before among a series of postcards carrying the names of various works of art (whereas Oh! Suejong jumped into his mind as he wound down a taxi window on the way to the set)
• He has come to use the zoom instinctively as an editing device and is not worried that the zoom is now widely frowned on in critical circles
• He feels an internal compulsion to make films, but seemingly not out of a need to communicate – he doesn’t seem too concerned about identifying a target audience or about the reception given to his films
• He regards his subject matter as the relationship between men and women which he described as the problem which most preoccupies most people; he expects to go on exploring this subject in his films, said that anyone who claims to have the answer to the problem of relationships between the sexes is either a liar or deluded, and has no intention of portraying an ideal relationship since such a relationship is impossible due to inevitable shortcomings of both parties.

HSS side-stepped a request to comment on a statement apparently made by Park Chan-Wook at a Q&A in London in 2006(?) that the Korean film industry would collapse within a few years as a result of changes to the Korean quota system reducing from 50% to 20% the proportion of films screened in Korea which are required to be home-produced; TR jumped in with both feet along the lines that this is the sort of stupid remark you would expect if you have seen the films of PCW who, TR said, is currently in Hollywood trying to make his first English-language film from which he can be expected to progress to directing vehicles for Jean-Claude Van Damme. (!)

As for the films on show on Friday, HaHaHa is very much in line stylistically and in subject matter with recent HSS films although more overtly comedic than most, with a performance of considerable kooky-ness from Moon So-Ri. If there’s a surprise it’s that three men and three women make no more than four couples. When we were told after HaHaHa that we were going to see Lost in the Mountains, I wondered whether I would be able to stave off boredom – much as I like HSS’s films, they are generally rather alike in pace and tone and I’m not sure I could sit through two in one evening. However, Lost in the Mountains lasts only 30 minutes and is very much enlivened by juxtaposing scenes of heightened emotion (mainly jealousy or self-pity posing as anger) with a voiceover which, perhaps self-deludingly, rewrites what has been seen in more neutral, measured terms. The three lead actors from Lost in the Mountains reappear in Oki’s Movie which will show at this year’s London Film Festival.

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#71 Post by foggy eyes » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:54 am

Thanks for the write-up, brunosh, much appreciated. Nice to hear Oki's Movie will screen at LFF too.

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#72 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:53 am

Hahaha hits DVD on October 30th. YesAsia has it for preorder, I'm sure Seoul Selection will offer it as soon as they get it in stock.

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#73 Post by foggy eyes » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:07 am

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:I'm sure Seoul Selection will offer it as soon as they get it in stock.
Are their prices lower?

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#74 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:02 am

Their base prices are lower, sometimes considerably, but you have to factor in shipping to your region. I use them because I'm in East Asia and their shipping here is fast and cheap, but that might not be the case for everyone. Plus YesAsia has the free shipping for orders over $39.

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#75 Post by eljacko » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:37 pm

I got a chance to see Oki's Movie last week, and it was really good. Is it available anywhere on DVD?

Anyway, here are a few thoughts on it that I wrote for my site with a lot of comparison between it and Woman on the Beach, a film I thought about a lot while in the theater (I have terribly little experience with HSS).
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I had the good fortune recently to see the film Oki’s Movie as it is currently unavailable in the US. In all honesty, I would take a bet that it isn’t available anywhere in the world right now, given the terrible Korean DVD market. But that is neither here nor there. If you are unfamiliar with Hong Sangsoo’s body of work, Oki’s Movie is a great place to start for subject matter but wholly unrepresentative of his structural and cinematic themes. However, the film is an interesting departure for this reason, as Hong’s other films are usually over two hours long, and composed of long, uninterrupted shots of conversations. You get that here, but all the shots are much shorter, with some narration included this time, and so the film clocks in at 80 minutes. Not a typical Hong Sangsoo film by any means.

I’ve found myself wondering what these structural differences mean for this film. Something like Woman on the Beach (2005) has the exact same plot and structure of Oki’s Movie, with minor changes. However, Woman on the Beach, another fine film, achieves a completely different result (maybe I need to write about that film next!) The primary difference between these two films is that while Woman on the Beach is also about screenwriters and the terrible decisions they make in relationships, Oki’s Movie is framed in such a way so that everything occurring on screen very well could have been a complete fiction, created by the characters in the film. Woman on the Beach is very obviously about an “event” – something objective, that the film never claims didn’t happen. The perspective changes between characters, but their issues relate to how much they believe or know about the “official” order of events (ie: what happens on camera).

Oki’s Movie, on the other hand, is instead a series of four short films, each with their own title and actors (just the three stars’ names repeated). The first three films present what is going on with a general sense of “truth” – none outwardly claims to be a fiction. Only in the final short film is the idea that anything seen so far suggested to be fiction, when the narrator (Oki) says that the events onscreen are her re-enactment of actual events in her life, and that the actors were chosen based on their resemblance to the “actual people” – the characters from the other short films, possibly.

And suddenly, the other shorts become questionable in their portrayal of events. Even before the final short, the first three contradict each other – in one short, Jingu is a formerly successful filmmaker in a failed marriage with Oki, possibly a professor, and thrashing out at Song, his corrupt superior. In the next segment, he is Song’s student, attempting to win Oki’s heart despite her protests regarding her degenerate character – “I’m a bad person” is what she says. And maybe she is.

However, Oki cannot be a bad person unless every other character is one as well. Each has a segment in a film where they are portrayed as shameless, vile, a liar, etc. But each character, Oki included, has a moment where they shine, where they may not necessarily be a great person, but they prove they can figure out tough decisions with at least a little grace.

For example, one of the most interesting sequences in the film is a conversation that Oki and Jingu, as students, have with their professor Song. They ask him a series of questions about dealing with hardships in life, and Song answers them definitively and gracefully; he never sugarcoats growing up, but he does describe the search for satisfaction in life, no matter how difficult, as possible. And Oki has her moment, as well, when she describes her own difficulties separating her love between Jingu and Song in the final short, when she narrates. She carries herself with confidence and grace.

What separates this film from other Hong films is the acknowledgment that these characters, despite any good or bad nature, are malleable, and can change, or differ based on the slightest of adjustments. Thus, when one film contradicts the other, this contradiction does not cause confusion, but adds to the nature of the character. Whereas in Woman on the Beach the series of events is definitive and changes the nature and goals of the character, Oki’s Movie changes both; each causes a change in the other, which confuses the narrative but adds to a wholly new image of character and perspective.
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