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Re: Summer With Jean, Jean, and John (Auteur List Projects)

#126 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:13 pm

Shout-out to this board's members for coming up with four different ways of writing the word "Cancan"

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#127 Post by swo17 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:23 pm

Will you also be ranking those?

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#128 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:43 pm

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THE JEAN RENOIR LIST

01 La Grande illusion (1937) 12 (4)
02 La Règle du jeu (1939) 11 (3)
03 Partie de campagne (1936/1946) 12 (1)
04 La Bête humaine (1938) 12
05 Toni (1935) 11 (1)
06 Le crime de Monsieur Lange (1936) 8
07 Les Bas-fonds (1936) 8
08 French Cancan (1954) 9
08 Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe (1959) 7 (1)
10 Boudu sauvé des eaux (1932) 6 (1)

11 the River (1951) 5 (1)
12 Swamp Water (1941) 5
13 the Woman on the Beach (1947) 4
14 La Marseillaise (1938) 4
15 La chienne (1931) 5
16 This Land is Mine (1943) 3 (1)
17 La nuit du carrefour (1932) 3
18 Le Caporal épinglé (1962) 3
19 La Petite Marchande d'allumettes (1928) 4
19 Le Carrosse d'or (1953) 3
19 Le Petit Théâtre de Jean Renoir (1969) 3

KEY: # of ballots [out of 13] (# of ballots with film ranked number one)

ALSO RANS
the Diary of a Chambermaid / the Southerner, Madame Bovary, Le testament du Docteur Cordelier

ORPHANS
Elena et les hommes, Le bled, Sur un air de charleston

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#129 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:44 pm

The top three were separated by only three points, so think long and hard next time you're ranking, because this was the definition of a close one

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#130 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:09 pm

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THE JOHN FORD LIST

01 the Grapes of Wrath (1940) 13 (2)
02 the Searchers (1956) 12 (2)
03 My Darling Clementine (1946) 12 (2)
04 the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) 12
05 Stagecoach (1939) 12 (2)
06 the Quiet Man (1952) 11 (1)
07 Young Mr Lincoln (1939) 11
08 How Green Was My Valley (1941) 8 (1)
09 They Were Expendable (1945) 9
10 Fort Apache (1948) 8 (1)

11 Wagon Master (1950) 6 (1)
12 the Sun Shines Bright (1953) 5 (1)
13 She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) 8
14 7 Women (1966) 5 (1)
15 the Prisoner of Shark Island (1936) 7
16 Donovan’s Reef (1963) 5
17 the Fugitive (1947) 3
17 Mogambo (1953) 4
19 Pilgrimage (1933) 4
19 3 Bad Men (1926) 4

21 Sergeant Rutledge (1960) 3
22 the Rising of the Moon (1957) 4
23 Drums Along the Mohawk (1939) 4
24 the Long Gray Line (1955) 3
25 the Long Voyage Home (1940) 3
25 Rio Grande (1950) 4

KEY: # of ballots [out of 14] (# of ballots with film ranked number one)

ALSO RANS
Tobacco Road, Steamboat Round the Bend, the Lost Patrol / Two Rode Together, 3 Godfathers, the Horse Soldiers, the Last Hurrah, the Hurricane, the Iron Horse / Wee Willie Winkie

ORPHANS
Cheyenne Autumn, Doctor Bull, Flesh, Four Sons, How the West Was Won, the Informer, Judge Priest, Straight Shooting, Up the River, When Willie Comes Marching Home Again, the Whole Town’s Talking, the Wings of Eagles

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#131 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:19 pm

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THE JEAN-LUC GODARD LIST

01 À bout de souffle (1960) 13 (2)
02 Week End (1967) 12 (1)
03 Pierrot le fou (1965) 12 (3)
04 Le mépris (1963) 11 (1)
05 Masculin féminin (1966) 11 (1)
06 Vivre sa vie (1962) 11
07 Une femme est une femme (1961) 9
08 La Chinoise (1967) 9
09 Bande à part (1964) 10
10 Sauve qui peut (la vie) (1980) 10

11 Alphaville: une étrange aventure de Lemmy Caution (1965) 8
12 2 ou 3 choses que je sais d'elle (1967) 7
13 Éloge de l'amour (2001) 6 (1)
14 Adieu au langage (2014) 6
15 Notre musique (2004) 6 (1)
16 Je vous salue, Marie (1985) 5 (1)
17 Une femme mariée (1964) 6 (1)
18 Prénom Carmen (1983) 5
19 Le gai savoir (1968) 4
20 Detective (1985) 4

21 Histoire(s) du cinéma (var.) 5
22 Tout va bien! (1972) 5 (1)
23 Numéro deux (1975) 3 (1)
24 Soigne ta droite (1987) 3
25 Passion (1982) 3

KEY: # of ballots [out of 14] (# of ballots with film ranked number one)

ALSO RANS
Le petit soldat, Nouvelle Vague, Les Carabiniers, JLG/JLG - autoportrait de décembre, France/tour/detour/deux enfants, King Lear

ORPHANS
Allemagne année 90 neuf zéro, British Sounds (See You at Mao), Film socialisme, Hélas pour moi, Ici et ailleurs, Letter to Jane: An Investigation About a Still, Made in USA, 100 ans de cinéma: Deux fois 50 ans de cinéma français, One Plus One (Sympathy for the Devil), Vladimir et Rosa

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#132 Post by swo17 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 pm

Thanks for all that work, John-imo!

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#133 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:27 pm

My lists, with orphans highlighted

RENOIR
01 Le Déjeuner sur l'herbe
02 Rules of the Game
03 Partie de campagne
04 Grand Illusion
05 Le Caporal épinglé
06 Swamp Water
07 La Bete humaine
08 Woman on the Beach
09 the Lower Depths
10 Toni

FORD
01 Stagecoach
02 the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
03 They Were Expendable
04 the Searchers
05 the Quiet Man
06 the Grapes of Wrath
07 Mogambo
08 Rio Grande
09 the Sun Shines Bright
10 7 Women
11 Two Rode Together
12 3 Godfathers
13 the Rising of the Moon
14 Cheyenne Autumn
15 Young Mr Lincoln

GODARD
01 À bout de souffle (1960)
02 Pierrot le fou (1965)
03 La Chinoise (1967)
04 Masculin Féminin (1966)
05 Week End (1967)
06 Une femme est une femme (1961)
07 Vivre sa vie (1962)
08 Nouvelle Vague (1990)
09 One Plus One (1968)
10 Detective (1985)
11 Alphaville: une étrange aventure de Lemmy Caution (1965)
12 Le Mépris (1963)
13 Sauve qui peut (la vie) (1980)
14 JLG/JLG (1995)
15 King Lear (1987)
16 Tout va bien! (1972)
17 Notre musique (2004)
18 Allemagne année 90 neuf zéro (1991)
19 Bande à part (1964)
20 Histoire(s) du cinéma (var.)

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#134 Post by knives » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:57 pm

Thanks for all the considerable (and seemingly thankless) effort. The Godard results are really surprising. La chinoise so high for example. Anyway here are my lists.

Renoir
1 This Land is Mine
2 La Bete Humain
3 Grand Illusion
4 Swamp Water
5 A Day in the Country
6 The Elusive Corporal
7 The Little Theatre of Jean Renoir
8 Madame Bovary
9 The Lower Depths
10 Picnic on the Grass
11 La Marseillaise
12 Toni
13 The Doctor's Horrible Experiment
14 The Diary of a Chambermaid
15 The Little Match Girl

Godard
1 Notre musique
2 Week End
3 Le gai savoir
4 Contempt
5 Alphaville
6 Historie(s) du cinema
7 Vivre sa vie
8 Passion
9 Le petit soldat
10 Goodbye to Language
11 Keep Your Right Up
12 Number 2
13 Band of Outsiders
14 Tout va bien
15 British Sounds
16 First Name: Carmen
17 2 X 50 Years of French Cinema
18 France/Tour/Detour/Deux/Enfants
19 Les carabiniers
20 A Married Woman

Ford
1 The Grapes of Wrath
2 Wagon Master
3 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
4 Young Mr Lincoln
5 7 Women
6 Stagecoach
7 My Darling Clementine
8 The Searchers
9 Donovan's Reef
10 The Prisoner of Shark Island
11 How Green Was My Valley
12 The Rising of the Moon
13 Fort Apache
14 When Willie Boy Comes Marching Home------------This is such a bizarre film whose qualities can be misunderstood so I totally get others for not voting for it. As a meta coming to terms with new cinema from Ford though I find it sa delight.
15 Flesh
16 Pilgrimage
17 The Iron Horse
18 Hurricane
19 The Horse Soldiers
20 The Lost Patrol

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#135 Post by Matt » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:12 pm

My Ford list:

1. My Darling Clementine
2. The Grapes of Wrath
3. How Green Was My Valley
4. The Searchers
5. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
6. Stagecoach
7. The Quiet Man
8. They Were Expendable
9. The Prisoner of Shark Island
10. Wagon Master

I attempted a Renoir list but couldn't come up with 10 I loved (without doing a bunch of rewatching that I didn't have time for). Still, I'm sad that Boudu didn't rate higher (it would have been my #1, which would have been enough to get it into the top 10). I didn't even bother with Godard.

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#136 Post by Mr Sheldrake » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:51 pm

Ford
1- 7 Women
2- My Darling Clementine
3- The Quiet Man
4- Donovan's Reef
5- The Whole Towns Talking
6- The Searchers
7- The Prisoner of Shark Island
8- Young Mr. Lincoln
9- The Last Hurrah
10- The Grapes of Wrath

Renoir
1- The Rules of the Game
2- Picnic on the Grass
3- The River
4- A Day in the Country
5- French Can-Can (incorrect spelling)
6- The River (incorrect double vote)
7- Diary of a Chambermaid
8- The Lower Depths
9- The Human Beast
10- The Elusive Corporal

Godard
1- Contempt
2- Pierrot le Fou
3- Breathless
4- Band of Outsiders
5- Every Man for Himself
6- A Woman is a Woman
7- My Life to Live
8- Hail Mary
9- Two or Three Things I Know About Her
10- Masculin Feminin

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#137 Post by movielocke » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:45 pm

Thanks for compiling these, I’ll have to post my lists when I get to my computer. I’m surprised no one voted for mr Roberts for Ford and a little surprised grapes of wrath came out on top.

Is the journey for herbs Renoir film picnic in the grass?

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#138 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:48 pm

Oui

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#139 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Thanks again domino!

Not surprised (given what Criterion has issued) but a little disappointed that the Godard top ten was pretty much exclusively 60s. Surprised Pierrot didn't come out at No. 1. Happy Éloge got as high as no. 13!

Jean
1. La Règle du jeu
2. The River
3. La Grande Illusion
4. La Marseillaise
5. Partie de campagne
6. The Southerner
7. Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe
8. Boudu sauvé des eaux
9. La Bête humaine
10. Toni
11. Les Bas-fonds
12. This Land Is Mine
13. Madame Bovary
14. Le Crime de Monsieur Lange
15. French Cancan

Jean-Luc
1. Pierrot le fou
2. Masculin féminin
3. Le Mépris
4. Week End
5. Je vous salue Marie
6. Une Femme mariée
7. Éloge de l’amour
8. 2 ou 3 Choses que je sais d’elle
9. Tout va bien
10. Adieu au langage
11. Film socialisme
12. Prénom Carmen
13. Le Petit Soldat
14. La Chinoise
15. Sauve qui peut (la vie)
16. Vivre sa vie
17. A bout de souffle
18. Histoire(s) du cinema
19. France tour détour deux enfants
20. Le Gai Savoir

John
1. The Searchers
2. My Darling Clementine
3. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
4. The Grapes of Wrath
5. Fort Apache
6. Wagon Master
7. How Green Was My Valley
8. They Were Expendable
9. The Quiet Man
10. Mogambo
11. Young Mr. Lincoln
12. The Hurricane
13. Drums along the Mohawk
14. The Long Gray Line
15. The Horse Soldiers
16. Rio Grande
17. Stagecoach
18. The Prisoner of Shark Island
19. Doctor Bull
20. Donovan’s Reef

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#140 Post by domino harvey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:16 pm

Mr Sheldrake wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:51 pm
6- The River (incorrect double vote)
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List updated. In a way, it's my fault for not catching this. In another, more correct way, it's entirely your fault

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#141 Post by Black Hat » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:46 am

movielocke wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:45 pm
I’m surprised no one voted for mr Roberts for Ford
I could be wrong about this, but I don't believe it's really John Ford film anyway. I think I read that in Scott Eyman's book about Fonda & Stewart.
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#142 Post by domino harvey » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:49 am

He's still credited, so it was eligible. I assume we all stood in solidarity with Arthur Kennedy losing his Oscar for Trial to Jack Lemmon just being Jack Lemmon and committed to a lifetime of snubbing the movie

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#143 Post by domino harvey » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:52 am

I just realized that all four of Renoir's water-themed titles are back to back on the list

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#144 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:54 am

Must have made a splash with a lot of people

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#145 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:56 am

Jean Renoir

1 Une Partie de Campagne
2.La Grande Illusion
3.La nuit du Carrefour
4.Les Règles du Jeu
5.La Bête Humaine
6.Le Crime de M.Lange
7.Toni
8.La Chienne
9.Boudu sauvé des Eaux
10. French Cancan

Godard

1.Vivre sa Vie
2.Histoire(s) du Cinéma
3.Sauve qui Peut
4.Eloge de l'Amour
5.Hail Mary
6.Le Mépris
7.Passion
8.2 or 3 things I know about her
9.Alphaville
10.Adieu au langage
11.Weekend
12.Notre Musique
13.Pierrot le fou
14.Breathless
15.Bande à part
16.Nouvelle Vague
17.Le Petit Soldat
18. La Chinoise
19.Detective
20.Une femme est une femme

Compiling a Godard list is harder than Chinese Algebra (Thanks to Tom Waits for the analogy)

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#146 Post by Lighthouse » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:03 am

I recently re-watched La Grande illusion, and I still don't have any clue why this one has stand the test of time (apart from the deep focus photography, but even that one looks better in more modern films), contrary to La Grande illusion Renoirs other great classic film La Règle du jeu gets indeed better with every viewing. My favourite of him is Le crime de Monsieur Lange, but generally Renoir films have mostly a few stunning scenes, but are often a little bit boring. Godard is much more fun to watch.

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#147 Post by Red Screamer » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:07 pm

I find it hard to rank Godard, since his cinema only gets better the more works you see by him and for how often his works are in conversation with each other (Vivre sa vie/Numero Deux/Sauve qui peut are all better in the context of the others). I have yet to see anything uninteresting by him, but Le livre d'image repeating much of Histoire(s) du cinema while saying very little on its ostensible subject (the Middle East) came close. Hoping Numero Deux's profile in his oeuvre raises, as it was a revelation for me this past year and he never made anything quite like it again.

01 Numero Deux
02 Adieu au langage 3D
03 A bout de souffle
04 La Chinoise
05 Eloge de l'amour
06 Je vous salue, Marie
07 Alphaville
08 Une Femme est une femme
09 Week End
10 Histoire(s) du Cinema

11 2 ou 3 choses que je sais d'elle
12 Pierrot Le Fou
13 Masculin Féminin
14 Sauve qui peut (la vie)
15 King Lear
[also ran]
16 Helas pour moi
[orphan]
17 Godard's Passion
18 Detective
19 Bande a part
20 Made in USA
[orphan]

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#148 Post by domino harvey » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:36 pm

At the last minute I replaced Helas pour moi with Bande a part on my list, so sorry about that orphaning

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#149 Post by movielocke » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:12 pm

I realize I never did post my list:

Ford:

1. How Green was my Valley
2. The Searchers
3. The Quiet Man
4. My Darling Clementine
5. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
6. Young Mr. Lincoln
7. Stagecoach
8. They Were Expendable
9. The Grapes of Wrath
10. Pilgrimage
11. The Informer
12. Wagon Master
13. Two Rode Together
14. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
15. 3 Bad Men
16. Rio Grande
17. The Long Voyage Home
18. Wee Willie Winkie
19. The Rising of the Moon
20. Drums Along the Mohawk

Revisits were crucial to ordering this, but three new to me films made the list, Wagon Master, Rio Grande, and The Rising of the Moon, this project pushed my Ford films well over sixty, which I believe makes him my most seen director now. I also feel like I finally "got" My Darling Clementine and Stagecoach, perhaps because I was now far away enough from expectations (no, this one is the greatest western ever, no this one is) that probably colored my first couple viewings, and because I've seen a thousand or two other films since I first watched and rewatched those nearly twenty years ago!

I wasn't able to get to revisiting Fort Apache, Mogambo, Iron Horse, and Sergeant Rutledge due to running out of time, and because Fort Apache succumbed to the WB disc rot syndrome.

Nothing tumbled quite so far as Prisoner of Shark Island, and I was gobsmacked on my post-list revisit that Two Rode Together isn't more well regarded, particularly as it seems like such a natural companion to (and deliberate myth destruction of) the Searchers. Were I doing the list now, Two Rode Together would be at somewhere between 5 and 9, I think.

3 Bad Men remains my favorite silent, and Just Pals did not hold up nearly as well as I thought it was going to (on a preliminary list)

Wee Willie Winkie and Drums Along the Mohawk are probably the two weakest entries here, Having seen Gideon's Day and Last Hurrah since, I think both would probably knock those two off, but I think I'd keep the charming Rising of the Moon. Last Hurrah was certainly a historical oddity, a bit of Irish rage that was rendered impotent by the rise of Kennedy to the presidency (not to mention the implication that the film's young-Kennedy-stand-in is merely a tame Irishman-puppet of ye olde repressive WASP regimes). The politics of this film are far more fascinating, and far more palatable than Ford's hagiographic confederacy worship in many of his films.

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#150 Post by Drucker » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:10 pm

Shocked at how highly you are placing Two Rode Together! Despite it's beauty and the first half hour or so, the film tonally feels all over the place and doesn't land for me at all. There's a crazed anger and outrage to Stewart that seemed so un-Fordlike when I watched this.

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