1920s List Discussion and Suggestions (Lists project Vol. 3)

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#376 Post by scotty2 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:39 am

My bad lubitsch--I somehow missed the PM. I hereby sentence myself to watching Intolerance three more times before I die.

I also volunteer to compile the 1930s or some future decade.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#377 Post by lubitsch » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:26 pm

Quick note to the moderator who transfers this list to the masterlist forum: I had made a small mistake with The Avenging Conscience in the pre1920s list which I had corrected two days after publishing the list first, but it was already posted by Matt and a PM had no success. Please edit the post and move the film from shared 56th place to the 54th while places 54-56 drop a spot.

1. La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc (Dreyer) 659 points, 15 votes
2. Sunrise (Murnau) 633 points, 16 votes
3. The General (Keaton) 506 points, 13 votes
4. Der letzte Mann (Murnau) 446 points, 13 votes
5. Lonesome (Fejös) 436 points, 13 votes
6. The Man with the Movie Camera (Vertov) 435 points, 14 votes
7. Sherlock jr. (Keaton) 394 points, 10 votes
8. The Wind (Sjöström) 373 points, 13 votes
9. A Page of Madness (Kinugasa) 358 points, 13 votes
10. The Crowd (Vidor) 353 points, 10 votes
11. The Docks of New York (Sternberg) 345 points, 10 votes
12. Faust (Murnau) 344 points, 10 votes
13. Menilmontant (Kirsanoff) 329 points, 9 votes
14. Greed (Stroheim) 314 points, 9 votes
15. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 301 points, 10 votes
16. Nosferatu (Murnau) 300 points, 10 votes
17. A Cottage on Dartmoor (Asquith), 280 points, 10 votes
18. La Chute de la Maison Usher (Epstein) 274 points, 10 votes
19. The Last Command (Sternberg) 273 points, 10 votes
20. Finis terrae (Epstein) 269 points, 7 votes
21. Metropolis (Lang) 268 points, 7 votes
22. Un Chien andalou (Bunuel) 259 points, 9 votes
23. 7th Heaven (Borzage) 252 points, 8 votes
24. Dr. Mabuse (Lang) 242 points, 8 votes
25. Our Hospitality (Keaton) 233 points, 8 votes
25. The Phantom Carriage (Sjöström) 233 points, 9 votes
27. The Wedding March (Stroheim) 227 points, 9 votes
28. Napoleon (Gance) 226 points, 9 votes
28. Die Büchse der Pandora (Pabst) 226 points, 10 votes
30. Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari (Wiene) 224 points, 7 votes
31. Asphalt (May) 221 points, 9 votes
32. Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna (Schwarz) 212 points, 7 votes
33. Gold Rush (Chaplin) 196 points, 8 votes
34. Safety Last (Lloyd) 195 points, 6 votes
35. Blackmail (Hitchcock) 191 points, 9 votes
36. Maldone (Gremillon) 187 points, 5 votes
37. The Big Parade (Vidor) 186 points, 7 points
38. Queen Kelly (Stroheim) 176 points, 8 votes
39. Die Abenteuer des Prinzen Achmed (Reiniger) 174 points, 6 votes
40. Die Nibelungen (Lang) 172 points, 7 votes
41. München-Berlin Wanderung (Fischinger) 171 points, 4 votes
42. Bed and Sofa (Room) 170 points, 5 votes
43. Zvenigora (Dovzhenko) 166 points, 5 votes
44. Street Angel (Borzage) 161 points, 6 votes
45. The Lodger (Hitchcock) 158 points, 5 votes
46. Michael (Dreyer) 157 points, 7 votes
47. He who gets slapped (Sjöström) 151 points, 5 votes
47. Underworld (Sternberg) 151 points, 6 votes
49. Seven Chances (Keaton) 144 points, 6 votes
50. There it is (Bowers) 143 points, 5 votes
51. The Unknown (Browning) 138 points, 4 votes
52. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen (Pabst) 137 points, 4 votes
53. Days of Youth (Ozu) 132 points, 3 votes
54. The Parson's Widow (Dreyer) 127 points, 5 votes
54. La Roue (Gance) 127 points, 4 votes
54. The Merry Widow (Stroheim) 127 points, 4 votes
57. One Week (Keaton) 126 points, 6 votes
58. The Love Parade (Lubitsch) 125 points, 5 votes
59. Coeur fidele (Epstein) 118 points, 3 votes
60. Erotikon (Machaty) 117 points, 5 votes
61. My Best Girl (Taylor) 115 points, 3 votes
62. The Kid (Chaplin) 114 points, 5 votes
62. The Circus (Chaplin) 114 points, 6 votes
64. Steamboat Bill jr. (Keaton) 113 points, 5 votes
65. Applause (Mamoulian) 112 points, 4 votes
66. Hintertreppe (Jessner & Leni) 111 points, 4 votes
66. Storm over Asia (Pudovkin) 111 points, 4 votes
68. A Throw of Dice (Osten) 105 points, 4 votes
68. Foolish Wives (Stroheim) 105 points, 4 votes
70. Lady Windermere's Fan (Lubitsch) 104 points, 4 votes
71. Girl Shy (Lloyd) 103 points, 4 votes
72. My Grandmother (Miqaberidze) 101 points, 3 votes
73. The Cameraman (Keaton) 100 points, 4 votes
73. Spione (Lang) 100 points, 6 votes
75. Hindle Wakes (Elvey) 98 points, 5 votes
76. Berlin Symphonie einer Großstadt (Ruttmann) 92 points, 4 votes
76. The Thief of Bagdad (Walsh) 92 points, 7 votes
78. Häxan (Christensen) 91 points, 6 votes
78. Piccadilly (Dupont) 91 points, 5 votes
78. Lucky Star (Borzage) 91 points, 4 votes
81. Variete (Dupont) 89 points, 5 votes
82. Dans la Nuit (Vanel) 86 points, 4 votes
83. The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg (Lubitsch) 85 points, 3 votes
84. Never Weaken (Lloyd) 84 points, 2 votes
84. The Playhouse (Keaton) 84 points, 4 votes
84. H2O (Steiner) 84 points, 3 votes
87. Visages d'enfants (Feyder) 81 points, 5 votes
88. The Undying Pearl (Shimizu) 79 points, 2 votes
88. L'Invitation au Voyage (Dulac) 79 points, 3 votes
90. Die Straße (Grune) 78 points, 4 votes
91. Die freudlose Gasse (Pabst) 77 points, 4 votes
92. Paris qui dort (Clair) 76 points, 3 votes
92. Wings (Wellman) 76 points, 3 votes
94. The Iron Horse (Ford) 73 points, 2 votes
94. Scherben (Pick) 73 points, 4 votes
96. L'Argent (L'Herbier) 72 points, 4 votes
97. The Scarecrow (Keaton) 71 points, 2 votes
98. Big Business (Laurel & Hardy) 68 points, 3 votes
99. Ungarische Rhapsodie (Schwarz) 67 points, 2 votes
99. Show People (Vidor) 67 points, 2 votes
99. Abwege (Pabst) 67 points, 2 votes

The leading film countries are
USA 45 films
Germany 23 films
France 14 films
Soviet Union 6 films
Great Britain 5 films
Japan 3 films
Sweden 2 films
Denmark, Czechoslovakia and India have one film

The directors with most films on the list are
Keaton 9 films
Stroheim 5 films
Lang 4 films
Murnau 4 films
Pabst 4 films
Borzage 3 films
Chaplin 3 films
Dreyer 3 films
Epstein 3 films
Lloyd 3 films (okay he's no director)
Lubitsch 3 films
Sjöström 3 films
Sternberg 3 films
Vidor 3 films

18 films without any DVD release whatsoever made the list (Finis terrae, Lonesome, Maldone, Die Straße, A Page of Madness, Abwege, Scherben, Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna, The Undying Pearl, The Wedding March, Dans la nuit plus the Warner prisoners Student Prince, The Wind, Greed, The Merry Widow, The Crowd, The Big Parade, Show People), 9 of them being US films. There's also Coeur fidele (French DVD without subs) and technically the German DVD with Invitation au Voyage has no subs, but the film needs none.
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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#378 Post by Finch » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:02 pm

He Who Gets Slapped was released in the Warner Archive recently so you can remove it from the unreleased silents list.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#379 Post by Tommaso » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Thanks for the work, Lubitsch. The result is less surprising than I originally thought it would be and looks like good advice for anyone seeking out the era for the first time. A welcome surprise is that Lonesome made it to #5; a less welcome one is that Ruttmann's Berlin is only at #76 :shock: Oh, and please anyone explain to me what is so great or even only unusual about Ozu's Days of Youth, apart from being an Ozu film....

And in retrospect the PM'ing seems indeed to yield quite interesting results:
lubitsch wrote:In fact at the moment (awaiting a few PMs) there's only one film which got voted for by all who have seen it and that's the 32nd placed film which 7 have seen and 8 have not.
Somehow I knew this referred to my pet film of this period, Nina Petrowna. And the fact that everyone who saw it voted for it speaks volumes. This really belongs into the Top 10, guys, believe me.

It also means that I'll have to make even more promotion for my one pet film of the 1930s :D

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#380 Post by knives » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:19 pm

Sorry Lubitsch if I seemed especially pissy(you are doing excellent on a thankless job). I just have a hard time understanding the emphasis on the results by the listmakers and so fins the PMs about cannon films or directors a tad odd.
Tommaso wrote:
knives wrote: That said I'd like to throw in my hat on a theory of why the Soviets didn't make the splash they probably should have. Among many other things when you get down to it the stories being told are very samey. Hell by the time I reached Arsenal I nearly threw the VHS out the window I'd become so tired of this. There's just no variation and you have to choose between which pea you find the sturdiest. It's can not be a simple coincidence, for example, that all of my Soviet choices were the ones I watched early on or had no similarities to the soviet story.
That is true to a certain extent, but it is true for basically any other 'genre' I can think of, be it melodrama or the classical Hollywood musical. Or only think about Ozu films.... I think that here as with the Soviets the interest lies in the variations of the 'theme', and of course how much you're interested in or even only just like the 'theme'. I'll probably never muster a lot of interest in crime thrillers, so I'll certainly won't sit through ten of them in a row, even if they're all good. But I do like those Soviet films in general, and in my view there's a hell of a difference between "Arsenal", "Storm over Asia" or "The eleventh year". To each his own pleasure, then.
I actually was trying to buffer myself from this very rebuttal by taking into account the very different films that were made by the Soviets(and to give a distant example I do find something like Earth to be different enough as to be considered unrelated on a story level). I do find the comparison to crime thrillers a tad incorrect though with maybe the more specific '90s erotic crime thrillers would be more accurate as a point of comparison. Fatal Attraction and Basic Instinct may have been a fun way to start things, but even if the films had stayed at that quality within five years everyone would be tired on that story. this is especially true when the themes are more propagandist and lack the universal messages of an Ozu. Of course I believe this is only a small part of the reason; far from the only excuse and maybe not even a main one.

Edit: How did I not notice that Aelita didn't make the list. Now I really am a sad panda.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#381 Post by Sloper » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:27 pm

I'm also surprised at the low position of Berlin, but very glad to see that my darling Michael made it on there at a respectable 46.

As for the Eisenstein discussion on the previous page - well Battleship Potemkin was the third silent film I ever saw, and it opened the floodgates for my love of silents after I'd been bored to tears by Metropolis and Nosferatu (bear in mind I was about 15). I can understand some people not liking it and thinking it's overrated - a friend of mine was recently left cold by his first viewing, but then lapped up A Cottage on Dartmoor immediately afterwards - but I definitely wasn't responding to its critical reputation when I saw it, or when I saw Strike and October soon afterwards.

And as for the other discussion - I also find these decade lists a great exercise in self-improvement, and I've certainly been consulting past lists when trying to fill the gaps in my knowledge. Lubitsch's PMs not only provide interesting statistics, but might also remind people to vote for things they've forgotten (Steven H said he'd accidentally left out a couple of titles); I don't see the harm in it. There were an awful lot of gaps for me to fill on this project, and at times it did get a little wearying - so those were the times I stuck on Le Boucher or The Spy in Black. It's only an academic chore if you let it become one. Moreover, if this were not a place where film-watching is taken seriously, and where I can expect to be taken to task if I say something naïve or ill-informed (as happened to me when I first came here and made an unguarded comment about Sirk), I probably wouldn't stick around.

In short: we're lucky to have someone as well-informed, organised and opinionated as lubitsch here to oversee these lists and roundly disagree with us. I'm looking forward to the 1930s.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#382 Post by knives » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:05 pm

Sloper wrote:I'm also surprised at the low position of Berlin, but very glad to see that my darling Michael made it on there at a respectable 46.
I was very surprised at my reaction to Berlin actually. I absolutely love the city symphonies I've seen so far, but that one fell flat(as did Opus) for some reason. I don't remember enough about it to say what it is that turned me off of the film, but there wasn't that explosive dynamic that I get from Vertov or Vigo's entries in the genre.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#383 Post by Saturnome » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:22 pm

Nice list, quite different from the old one. Almost all the films I haven't seen (11) from this list are German... I'll have to check this Nina Petrowna.
I can't believe Show People barely made it at 99. It's my favorite Vidor film. Swap it with The Crowd.

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#384 Post by myrnaloyisdope » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:54 pm

I think that'd be a very fine idea Michael. As for lubitsch, well I think he's done a very fine job with all of this, I'm not sure what else to say.

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#385 Post by myrnaloyisdope » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:52 pm

I am also surprised at the low showing of Show People. It was in my top ten. :(

I also don't feel quite so bad about my participation, as I've seen 83 of the top 100 films, and would have gotten around to watching at least another 10 or so off that list, as I have them on DVD or in other form. Maldone was the only film from the list I really have never heard of, though I've heard Gremillon's name in passing. Now I'll be sure to check it out.

But on to the 1930's!

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#386 Post by Murdoch » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:22 pm

Just want to thank all of you for taking part in this list, I will definitely be using it as a point of reference as I dive deeper into pre-sound cinema this year.

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#387 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:56 pm

Saturnome wrote:I can't believe Show People barely made it at 99. It's my favorite Vidor film. Swap it with The Crowd.
I agree -- but since I didn't vote ... ;~{

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#388 Post by the preacher » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:29 am

I don't know about fifteen entries in the top 100, I have taken good note.

Thanks Lubitsch, I think you did a good job. Next I'm going to run the Doubling the Canon project (btw, anyone interested is invited), which will keep me busy for some time. But you can count on me for the next poll, it's a pleasure to read and watch your recommendations.

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#389 Post by YnEoS » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:06 pm

I'm a bit curious about Dans La Nuit making this list. When I watched it, it was a bit of a fascinating disappointment. Certainly it's quite an interesting watch and explores some really cool themes and subject matter, but I found the overall execution fairly lacking. It seemed to just sort of project the emotions of each scene without really expressing them well through skillful storytelling. Perhaps my attention span was a bit lacking from watching so many movies back to back, but it seemed like the first 20 minutes lacked any story at all and was just kind of vague shots of being married and happy. Like you could understand that they were happy, but nothing ever happened to make you care about them. Throughout the movie it seemed like it was just showing the changes in the relationship without giving the characters any real life or depth.

Do I perhaps just owe this film a re-watch, or was the primary interest the subject matter, themes, and style?

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#390 Post by Wombatz » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:45 am

It's a very nice list. Except that it needs a complete reshuffle of course :-) This will make me hunt down poor pixelated copies of a handful of films, thanks all especially for the individual listings.

What surprises me most (except for the bad performance of The Penalty) is the veneration for The Last Laugh, which I find completely unwatchable, but that is due to treatment of subject matter (i.e. of the protagonist). Anyway, since this thread has made me do a top ten, here it is.

Nosferatu
The Penalty
Chute de la Maison Usher
Sunrise
Phantom Carriage
Juve vs Fantomas
Cottage on Dartmoor
Histoire de détective
The Crowd
Hintertreppe

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#391 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:50 am

I can't believe I forgot Metropolis, especially as the restored version was one of the last 20s films I saw! Nothing too controversial here really.

Sunrise (Murnau)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
The Wind (Sjostrom)
Greed (Von Stroheim)
The Last Laugh (Murnau)
The Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
La Roue (Gancé)
The Gold Rush (Chaplin)
The General (Keaton)
Nosferatu (Murnau)

The Adventures of Prince Achmed (Reiniger)
The Life and Death of a Hollywood Extra (Florey)
The Kid (Chaplin)
Michael (Dreyer)
A Woman of Paris (Chaplin)
The Phantom Carriage (Sjostrom)
The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (Wiene)
A Page of Madness (Kinugasa)
Lonesome (Fejos)
Sherlock Jr. (Keaton)

Foolish Wives (Von Stroheim)
The Lodger (Hitchcock)
Seven Chances (Keaton)
The Seashell and the Clergyman (Dulac)
Applause (Mamoulian)
October (Eisenstein)
The Unknown (Browning)
Picadilly (Dupont)
Menilmontant (Kirsanoff)
Way Down East (Griffith)

Steamboat Bill Jr (Keaton)
The Three Sided Mirror (Epstein)
Dans La Nuit (Vanel)
Queen Kelly (Von Stroheim)
The Big Parade (Vidor)
The Tell Tale Heart (Shamroy)
Ghosts Before Breakfast (Richter)
Man With a Movie Camera (Vertov)
Hindle Wakes (Elvey)
A Cottage on Dartmoor (Asquith)

Moulin Rouge (Dupont)
The General Line (Eisenstein)
Napoleon (Gancé)
Asphalt (May)
Un Chien Andalou (Bunuel)
Anna Boleyn (Lubistch)
The Cat and the Canary (Leni)
Pandora's Box (Pabst)
Blackmail (Hitchcock)
Spies (Lang)

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#392 Post by lubitsch » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:21 am

The idea behind this list is to calculate an average score by dividing the points a film got through the number of participants who have actually seen the film. Obviously some famous films drop down the list because everyone has seen them while films only seen by half ot the panel hint at their potential status. Obviously this doesn't mean that each film which has scored highle here would have reached the same result in the classical scoring had all people seen them, so always take this with a grain of salt. But then again it's unlikely that the non-viewers would have voted completely different. So just take the films which climbed in this score into strong consideration for your future viewing.

1. (1) La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc (Dreyer) 36,61 (659 points, 18 viewers, 16 votes)
2. (2) Sunrise (Murnau) 35, 17 (633 points, 18 viewers, 16 votes)
3. (20, +17) Finis terrae (Epstein) 29, 89 (269 points, 9 viewers, 7 votes)
4. (3, -1) The General (Keaton) 29,76 (506 points, 17 viewers, 13 votes)
5. (5) Lonesome (Fejös) 29,07 (436 points, 15 viewers, 13 votes)
6. (32, +26) Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna (Schwarz) 26,50 (212 points, 8 viewers, 7 votes)
7. (4, -3) Der letzte Mann (Murnau) 24,78 (446 points, 18 viewers, 13 votes)
8. (6, -2) The Man with the Movie Camera (Vertov) 24,17 (435 points, 18 viewers, 14 votes)
9. (9) A Page of Madness (Kinugasa) 23,87 (358 points, 15 viewers, 13 votes)
10. (7, -3) Sherlock jr. (Keaton) 23,17 (394 points, 17, viewers, 10 votes)
11. (10, -1) The Crowd (Vidor) 22,06 (353 points, 16 viewers 10 votes)
12. (8, -4) The Wind (Sjöström) 21,94 (373 points, 17 viewers, 13 votes)
13. (13) Menilmontant (Kirsanoff) 20,56 (329 points, 16 viewers, 9 votes)
14. (11, -3) The Docks of New York (Sternberg) 20,29 (345 points, 17 viewers, 10 votes)
15. (12, -3) Faust (Murnau) 20,24 (344 points, 17 viewers, 10 votes)
16. (14, -2) Greed (Stroheim) 19,63 (314 points, 16 viewers, 9 votes)
17. (41, +24) München-Berlin Wanderung (Fischinger) 19 (171 points, 9 viewers, 4 votes)
18. (42, +24) Bed and Sofa (Room) 18,89 (170 points, 9 viewers, 5 votes)
19. (36, +17) Maldone (Gremillon) 18,7 (187 points, 10 viewers, 5 votes)
20. (17, -3) A Cottage on Dartmoor (Asquith) 18,67 (280 points, 15 viewers, 10 votes)
21. (18, -3) La Chute de la Maison Usher (Epstein) 17,13 (274 points, 16 viewers, 10 votes)
22. (15, -7) Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 16,72 (301 points, 18 viewers, 10 votes)
23. (16, -7) Nosferatu (Murnau) 16,67 (300 points, 18 viewers, 10 votes)
24. (24) Dr. Mabuse (Lang) 16,13 (242 points, 15 viewers, 8 votes)
25. (19, -6) The Last Command (Sternberg) 16,06 (273 points, 17 viewers, 10 votes)
26. (66, +40) Hintertreppe (Jessner & Leni) 15,86 (111 points, 7 viewers, 4 votes)
27. (21, -6) Metropolis (Lang) 15,76 (268 points, 18 viewers, 7 votes)
28. (23, -5) 7th Heaven (Borzage) 15,75 (252 points, 16 viewers, 8 votes)
29. (68, +39) A Throw of Dice (Osten) 15 (105 points, 7 viewers, 4 votes)
30. (31, +1) Asphalt (May) 14,73 (221 points, 15 viewers, 9 votes)
31. (25, -6) The Phantom Carriage (Sjöström) 14,56 (233 points, 16 viewers, 9 votes)
31. (25, -6) Our Hospitality (Keaton) 14,56 (233 points, 16 viewers, 8 votes)
33. (72, +39) My Grandmother (Miqaberidze) 14,43 (101 points, 7 viewers, 3 votes)
34. (22, -12) Un Chien andalou (Bunuel) 14,39 (259 points, 18 viewers, 9 votes)
35. (27, -8) The Wedding March (Stroheim) 14,19 (227 points, 16 viewers, 9 votes)
36. (28, -8) Napoleon (Gance) 14,13 (226 points, 16 viewers, 9 votes)
37. (43, +6) Zvenigora (Dovzhenko) 13,83 (166 points, 12 viewers, 5 votes)
38. (35, -3) Blackmail (Hitchcock) 13,64 (191 points, 14 viewers, 9 votes)
39. (40, +1) Die Nibelungen (Lang) 13,23 (172 points, 13 viewers, 7 votes)
40. (61, +21) My Best Girl (Taylor) 12,78 (115 points, 9 viewers, 3 votes)
41. (28, -13) Die Büchse der Pandora (Pabst) 12,56 (226 points, 18 viewers, 10 votes)
42. (30, -12) Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari (Wiene) 12,44 (224 points, 18 viewers, 7 votes)
43. (37, -6) The Big Parade (Vidor) 12,40 (186 points, 15 viewers, 7 points)
44. (34, -10) Safety Last (Lloyd) 12,19 (195 points, 16 viewers, 6 votes)
45. (50, +5) There it is (Bowers) 11, 92 (143 points, 12 viewers, 5 votes)
46. (59, +13) Coeur fidele (Epstein) 11,80 (118 points, 10 viewers, 3 votes)
47. (47) He who gets slapped (Sjöström) 11,62 (151 points, 13 viewers, 5 votes)
48. (39, -9) Die Abenteuer des Prinzen Achmed (Reiniger) 11,60 (174 points, 16 viewers, 6 votes)
49. (33, -16) Gold Rush (Chaplin) 11,53 (196 points, 17 viewers, 8 votes)
50. (45, -5) The Lodger (Hitchcock) 11,29 (158 points, 14 viewers, 5 votes)
51. (53, +2) Days of Youth (Ozu) 11 (132 points, 12 viewers, 3 votes)
51. (38, -13) Queen Kelly (Stroheim) 11 (176 points, 16 viewers, 8 votes)
53. (51, -2) The Unknown (Browning) 10,62 (138 points, 13 viewers, 4 votes)
54. (44, -10) Street Angel (Borzage) 10,06 (161 points, 16 viewers, 6 votes)
55. (46, -9) Michael (Dreyer) 9,81 (157 points, 16 viewers, 7 votes)
56. (75, +19) Hindle Wakes (Elvey) 9,80 (98 points, 10 viewers, 5 votes)
57. (54, -3) The Parson's Widow (Dreyer) 9,77 (127 points, 13 viewers, 5 votes)
57. (54, -3) The Merry Widow (Stroheim) 9,77 (127 points, 13 viewers, 4 votes)
59. (60, +1) Erotikon (Machaty) 9,75 (117 points, 12 viewers, 5 votes)
60. (49, -11) Seven Chances (Keaton) 9,60 (144 points, 15 viewers, 6 votes)
61. (52, -9) Tagebuch einer Verlorenen (Pabst) 9,13 (137 points, 15 viewers, 4 votes)
62. (54, -8) La Roue (Gance) 9,07 (127 points, 14 viewers, 4 votes)
63. (58, -5) The Love Parade (Lubitsch) 8,93 (125 points, 14 viewers, 5 votes)
64. (47, -17) Underworld (Sternberg) 8,88 (151 points, 17 viewers, 6 votes)
65. (65) Applause (Mamoulian) 8,62 (112 points, 13 viewers, 4 votes)
66. (57, -9) One Week (Keaton) 8,40 (126 points, 15 viewers, 6 votes)
67. (66, -1) Storm over Asia (Pudovkin) 7,93 (111 points, 14 viewers, 4 votes)
68. (71, +3) Girl Shy (Lloyd) 7,92 (103 points, 13 viewers, 4 votes)
69. (62, -7) The Circus (Chaplin) 7,60 (114 points, 15 viewers, 6 votes)
70. (76, +6) Berlin Symphonie einer Großstadt (Ruttmann) 7,08 (92 points, 13 viewers, 4 votes)
71. (64, -7) Steamboat Bill jr. (Keaton) 7,06 (113 points, 16 viewers, 5 votes)
72. (62, -10) The Kid (Chaplin) 6,71 (114 points, 17 viewers, 5 votes)
73. (73) The Cameraman (Keaton) 6,67 (100 points, 15 viewers, 4 votes)
74. (68, -6) Foolish Wives (Stroheim) 6,56 (105 points, 16 viewers, 4 votes)
75. (70, -5) Lady Windermere's Fan (Lubitsch) 6,50 (104 points, 16 viewers, 4 votes)
76. (73, -3) Spione (Lang) 5,88 (100 points, 17 viewers, 6 votes)
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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#393 Post by Tommaso » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:17 am

Interesting, especially for the Top 30. Jumps of up to 46 places for individual titles paired with a maximum loss of 13 places in this upper third of the list seems to indicate that the well-known titles don't seem to suffer much from this alternative calculation, but that the less known/more-difficult-to-see ones sometimes benefit enormously. This is even more apparent if you only consider the Top 10: maximum gain 28 places, maximum loss 3 places. I didn't expect such a great difference between the two lists, to be honest.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#394 Post by nsps » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:05 am

Sorry I didn't reply to your PMs Lubistch. I was at Sundance.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#395 Post by the preacher » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:48 am

Okay, just saw Nina Petrowna and you're right, it's great! It had made my list instead of, for example, Asphalt (the same year and country and a better screenplay and ending, but the mise-en-scène is not comparable).

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#396 Post by Landjorden » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:57 am

Shouldn't this list be added to the masterlist thread?

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#397 Post by Erikht » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:32 am

lubitsch wrote:I also bit the bullet for Brudeferden i Hardanger though I should have known that no film Tommaso likes can be really any good :P. It's a curiously uninvolving affair with the actors being very uncharismatic and especially the moon-faced leading lady being not especially nice which
Tom Gunning just declared it one of the great masterpieces of the silent period.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#398 Post by lubitsch » Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:12 pm

Bordwell/Thompson's best films of 1921 with a few mistakes in datings and DVD suggestions thrown in. Scherben is the most notable absentee from this list, Hintertreppe which placed third in our poll in 1921 is just a runner-up, no mentioning of the Grapevine DVD.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#399 Post by the preacher » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:11 am

lubitsch wrote:Bordwell/Thompson's best films of 1921 http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2011/ ... ms-of-1921" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; with a few mistakes in datings and DVD suggestions thrown in. Scherben is the most notable absentee from this list, Hintertreppe which placed third in our poll in 1921 is just a runner-up, no mentioning of the Grapevine DVD.
I am glad to find a couple of movies that failed to make our top 100: Johan and especially Miss Lulu Bett, an all-time favorite of mine. Unfortunately, I have not managed to see more films directed by the other DeMille.

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Re: 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions (Lists project Vol

#400 Post by the preacher » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:20 am

I just discovered the odd Stark Love, one of the most unusual films I've ever seen. Amazing story combined with realistic filmmaking. Highly recommended, even if the only copy in circulation is quite poor (better than nothing, the film was considered lost for decades).

Another movie without a single mention that I would have voted today is Running Wild, W.C. Fields' funniest work of his career.

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