Criterion and Warner Bros.
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Not to mention all the hoops the BFI went through with their edition. Clearly there is somebody who has feelings about the film.
- Drucker
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And regards to the "lots of films make money in their catalog", I think it's pretty clear that horror films sell better than any other genre on home video, and a deluxe edition of a film that's 1) amazing 2) been suppressed since release would certainly sell better than any other home video release.
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not necessarily, if it's been suppressed, knowledge of such a commodity is necessarily limited to highly informed consumers who are aware of the existence of the commodity and who also have fetishized suppressed commodities as being inherently of high value. Now this can manifest as a fetish for cuban cigars and be extremely well known and successful, but it doesn't necessarily mean that level of success will apply on the scale of a single film in one country being suppressed.Drucker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:46 pmAnd regards to the "lots of films make money in their catalog", I think it's pretty clear that horror films sell better than any other genre on home video, and a deluxe edition of a film that's 1) amazing 2) been suppressed since release would certainly sell better than any other home video release.
It would probably sell well, but it's not going to sell as well as something like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which is probably criterion's gold standard for sales levels.
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For their Gen-X audience maybe. I would have thought the beloved-by-Boomers Monterey Pop was their top seller given how many times it's been repackaged. But surely The Devils would sell better than something like The Breaking Point (to name a recent release licensed from Warner Bros.)movielocke wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:19 pmit's not going to sell as well as something like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which is probably criterion's gold standard for sales levels
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Of course it would - the BFI's DVD was one of their bestselling titles.
And that's in a country where the full British theatrical cut has been available in some form or other for decades - 35mm, VHS, television airings, you name it.
By contrast, even that version has never been commercially released in the US to my knowledge - Warner Bros cut it to ribbons back in 1971, with shot substitutions making the cuts more severe than a crude running-time comparison might suggest. For a US label to get hold of the rights to distribute even the British theatrical cut, never mind the 2004 semi-restoration, would be a major coup, especially on Blu-ray - and there's no way on God's green earth that Criterion isn't fully aware of this.
And that's in a country where the full British theatrical cut has been available in some form or other for decades - 35mm, VHS, television airings, you name it.
By contrast, even that version has never been commercially released in the US to my knowledge - Warner Bros cut it to ribbons back in 1971, with shot substitutions making the cuts more severe than a crude running-time comparison might suggest. For a US label to get hold of the rights to distribute even the British theatrical cut, never mind the 2004 semi-restoration, would be a major coup, especially on Blu-ray - and there's no way on God's green earth that Criterion isn't fully aware of this.
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According to some at HTF the 1936 Showboat DVD has gone OOP.
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So what of this deal now?
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I imagine any films already licensed will remain licensed for whatever the terms are, including ones we don't know about yet. Beyond that, I don't think anyone knows. Since licensing brings in money with limited expenditure for the parent company, it seems plausible that AT&T would be okay with them continuing
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Warner Bros. is too complicated an entity to assume that the Filmstruck folks had much to do with the people who license DVDs. They might be, but just as likely they're completely distinct groups. Like a lot else having to do with Filmstruck's demise, we're left to speculate.
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Maybe they can finally get The Devils out now.
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AT&T has to honor any existing deals. Hopefully, they will see the benefit of continued licensing to Criterion and maybe it opens them up to other boutiques.
I think more of an issue is WAC and whether their continued film preservation will survive. The question is will they want to keep paying for restorations.
I think more of an issue is WAC and whether their continued film preservation will survive. The question is will they want to keep paying for restorations.
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So Warner Bros. just purchased the RatPac-Dune Film Library. Can we expect to see some (or all) of these films become available on Criterion Channel? Or do you think these will only be available through Warner's service?
From the article linked above:
From the article linked above:
Here again are the films in the library:
Gravity
Grudge Match
The LEGO Movie
A Winter’s Tale
300 Rise of an Empire
Godzilla
Blended
Edge of Tomorrow
Jersey Boys
Tammy
Midnight Special
How To Be Single
In The Heart of the Sea
Creed
Our Brand Is Crisis
Pan
The Intern
Black Mass
The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
Into the Storm
If I Stay
This Is Where I Leave You
Annabelle
The Judge
Horrible Bosses 2
Inherent Vice
American Sniper
Jupiter Ascending
Vacation
Magic Mike XXL
Max
Entourage
San Andreas
Mad Max: Fury Road
Hot Pursuit
Get Hard
Run All Night
Focus
Batman v Superman
Barbershop The Next Cut
Keanu
The Nice Guys
Me Before You
The Conjuring 2
Central Intelligence
The Legend of Tarzan
Lights Out
Suicide Squad
War Dogs
Ready Player One
Tomb Raider
Night Game
The 15:17 to Paris
Paddington 2
Justice League
Sully
Storks
The Accountant
Collateral Beauty
Live By Night
The LEGO Batman Movie
Geostorm
The LEGO Ninjago Movie
It
Annabelle Creation
Dunkirk
The War Horse
Wonder Woman
Everything Everything
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
Unforgettable
Fist Fight
Kong: Skull Island
C.H.I.P.S.
Going in Style
Godzilla
- mfunk9786
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Between this and the New Year's Clue thread I want to jump out of my skin
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Looking forward to the Ninjago digipack.
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I’d like to see what they’d do with Inherent Vice
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What I don't get is that WB put out all those films already. Does this deal mean they also get films that were at other studios with the RatPac-Dune people behind them?
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There's no indication that's the case, this is just Warner Bros. buying out RatPac-Dune's minority stake in the films they co-financed. WB already had majority ownership and the distribution rights, so I doubt this changes anything with regard to Criterion or other potential outside licensors.
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That was Ratner and Mnuchin's production company, wasn't it. No wonder they are looking to clear house.
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Here are the RatPac/Warner films whose directors already have a presence in the Criterion Collection:
- Gravity (Alfonso Cuarón)
- Our Brand Is Crisis (David Gordon Green)
- Inherent Vice (Paul Thomas Anderson)
- Dunkirk (Christopher Nolan)
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This is literally just a boring royalties thing; WB is just buying the remaining stake of those films and will now get all future revenue from those titles rather than just most of it, and still maintain the same level of control (as they were already majority holders) vis a vis licensing and the like. They had first option to bid and chose to exercise that right to receive full or near-full ownership of those titles. No impact on anything other than revenue streams at all.
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Exactly. This is WB deciding to pay off Ratner now so they will not be tied to him anymore rather than to be paying his company for the profits on these films over an indefinite future time.
- FrauBlucher
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We can officially retire this list.....
ianungstad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:46 pmAbout a week ago Warner Brothers discontinued a number of Archive releases that generated some speculation that they may have been licensed to Criterion including:
Dreams (Akira Kurosawa)
Blow Up (Michelangelo Antonioni)
The Breaking Point (Michael Curtiz)
Barcelona (Whit Stillman)
The OOP list this week has a few more Warner titles that seem like they may go to Criterion:
Magnificent Ambersons (Orson Welles)
The Asphalt Jungle (John Huston)
A Face in the Crowd (Elia Kazan)
Klute (Alan Pakula)
Day for Night (Francois Truffaut)
Before Sunset (Richard Linklater)
Cat People (Jacques Tourneur) Both the individual Cat People and the Val Lewton box are officially discontinued this week.
Before Sunrise (Richard Linklater)
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When is the round 3 list coming?
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