Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

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#1 Post by domino harvey » Mon May 18, 2015 6:58 pm

Welcome to the Seventh Heaven of bitching and moaning

IMPORTANT UPDATE: This thread is no longer for monthly predictions. To make monthly prediction posts, use this thread

Previously on the Criterion Forum...
Forthcoming Criterion Lists & Hulu Titles
Forthcoming Criterion & Eclipse List Discussion
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Criterion Random Speculation Vol.1 / Vol.2 / Vol.3 / Vol.4
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#2 Post by lacritfan » Mon May 18, 2015 7:09 pm

Image at least this isn't as bad as the Cries and Whispers cover.

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#3 Post by Minkin » Mon May 18, 2015 7:41 pm

Here is a list of titles expected to be forthcoming from Criterion according to various forms of communication through announcements, including newsletters, emails, blogs, websites, social networks, and non-official sources with valuable creditability. Please see Criterion's own site for titles already announced, but not yet released.

Criterion announces new titles at their website, http://www.criterion.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; on the 15th of every month, unless that date falls on a weekend, holiday, or there is just a delay.

Even if a film is listed below, this list is not an indicator that the film will be announced immediately. Criterion releases are often held up by a multitude of factors: restorations, director approval, supplements, cover art, etc. Expecting or demanding that a certain film be announced at a certain time is a fruitless endeavor. It is better to wait and enjoy the titles that have been announced, so that the film you are hoping for can receive the best edition possible. You should not see this list as 100% confirmation of anything, as things can and do change, even when a film has already been announced officially (see Contempt + Ran blu-rays).

This forthcoming list is grouped by the source of information. Generally, the list trends downwards (separated by "-------") in terms of strength of information source and immediacy / expectation of announcement.

If you have any information regarding a film addition to the list, corrections, broken links, please send me a private message.

To quick search a name or title, press [CTR]+[F].
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Newsletter: (Based on the best/most agreed upon interpretation of the clue)

Midnight Cowboy (Nov, 2013)
Mulholland Drive (April, 2015)
Young and Innocent (May 2015)
In Cold Blood - Criterion rep confirmation (June 2015)

2015 New Years clues:

The Brood - Confirmed
Inside Llewyn Davis
Lady Snowblood
The New World - Confirmed by Criterion Rep
Speedy (Harold Lloyd) - Confirmed by Tribeca article


Not 100% sure from the clue:
Cure
Koker Trilogy
After Hours
This is Spinal Tap
Tom Jones / Napoleon / Barry Lyndon / Les Miserables
Wenders - Road Movie Trilogy - Alice in the Cities, Wrong Move, Kings of the Road


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Janus Films touring -Official Janus tour, different than simply playing somewhere with a Janus logo.

Apu Trilogy
Burroughs: The Movie
Jellyfish Eyes - also potentially confirmed in New Years clue
A Poem Is a Naked Person
War Trilogy (Rome: Open City on current Janus tour in new 4k remaster Blu-ray upgrade imminent)

Chaplin: First National shorts
The Kid (1921)
The Pilgrim (1923)
Woman of Paris (1923)
The Circus (1928)
King in New York (1958)


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Upgrades (blu-ray or other new editions):

Andrei Rublev (multi-year restoration work, will come out sooner or later)
Bicycle Thieves
Kwaidan
Mishima - Criterion's done a new 2k restoration, director confirms
Nanook of the North (confirmed by Flaherty relation)
Pandora's Box
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Le Samourai
The Silence (Bergman)
Tales of Hoffman - Thelma Schoonmaker confirmation!!


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Press, screening, or employee official confirmations

Before Trilogy
Boy (Oshima)
Boyhood
Classic Bollywood films / Guru Dutt - Indian article
Graduate, The - confirmation
Harold Lloyd Talkies set - Criterion plans to release all Harold Lloyd shorts/films eventually
Napoleon (Abel Gance)
La Verite (Clouzot)
Warner Bros deal - Barcelona + Suburbia seem likely (directors expressed interest)
World Cinema Foundation - more boxsets coming. See list below

Additional directors to expect titles from:

Erice - El, Quince Tree Sun
Forman, Milos - Black Peter, Taking Off
Kieslowski - Decalogue; former Kino titles almost a certainty at this point -
Kusturica, Emir
Malick
Passolini -Most likely Teorema
Ray, Satyajit - Most all of his films, Devi is being worked on next (after Apu Trilogy)
Renoir - La Chienne (New restoration being presented by Janus)
Welles - Chimes at Midnight, Immortal Story, Othello, It's All True - all confirmed by Criterion producer
Wenders - Director has confirmed that nearly everything he has made will be coming at some point.

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Confirmed, but eternally Delayed

A Brighter Summer Day
Carnival in Flanders
Macunaíma (1969)
Shanghai Express
The Wedding March
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Played with Janus Logo / available on Amazon or Itunes (not Hulu!)

Downhill (1927)
Evergreen (1934)
Intimate Lighting (1965) - Played on TCM with Janus logo
Lady Snowblood
Lady Snowblood 2: Love Song Of Vengeance
Lodger (1927)
Madeline (1950)
Man of Aran (1934)
Night Heaven Fell (1958) played on TCM with Janus logo
The Passionate Friends (1949)
Rocking Horse Winner (1949)
Sabotage (1936)
The Seventh Veil (1945)
Tiger Bay (1959)
Young and Innocent (1937)

Czech New Wave films: (See here)
All My Good Countrymen
Courage for Every Day
The Cremator
The Cry
Diamonds of the Night
The Ear
Something Different
Transport from Paradise

World Cinema Project films: (See here)

Two Girls on the Street (1939), André de Toth
Revenge (1989), Yermek Shinarbayev
The Night of Counting the Years (1969), Shadi Abdel Salam
Nidhanaya (1970), Lester James Peries
Mysterious Object at Noon (2000), Apichatpong Weersethakul
Manila in the Claws of Light (1975), Lino Brocka
Limite (1931), Mário Peixoto
The Law of the Border (1966), Ömer Lütfi Akad
Kalpana (1948), Uday Shankar
Insiang (1976), Lino Brocka
Forest of the Hanged (1964), Liviu Ciulei ---------(Film Foundation still restoring)
The Eloquent Peasant (1969), Shadi Abdel Salam
Downpour (1971), Bahram Bayzai
Color of Pomegranates (1969), Sergei Parajanov
But Film is My Mistress (2010), Stig Björkman
A Brighter Summer Day (1991), Edward Yang
Borom Sarret (1963), Ousmane Sembène
Black Girl (1966), Ousmane Sembène
Alyam, Alyam (1978), Ahmed El Maanouni ---------(Film Foundation still restoring)
After the Curfew (1954), Usmar Ismail
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Speculation / Recent Restorations:
Daisies (rescue from Eclipse)
Elevator to the Gallows
Hotel du Nord
Image Entertainment's "vast video library" (from AudioBrandon, Films Inc. and others)-link
Ivan the Terrible 1 + 2
Of Mice and Men (Lewis Milestone)
MGM licensed films - Narrowed down speculation
Pickup on South Street (4K)
The Story of the Last Chrysanthemum
Withnail and I
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Distinct Possibilities (don't look at me, these are from the old list)

BRESSON, Robert - LE PROCES DE JEANNE D’ARC , THE DEVIL PROBABLY
Fuller, Samuel - PARK ROW
Hou Hsiao-hsien - ("possibility, yes")
Khan, Mehbook - MOTHER INDIA (Criterion is trying to get this)
OSHIMA, Nagisa - 'YOUTH TRILOGY ’ - NIGHT AND FOG IN JAPAN, CRUEL STORY OF YOUTH, THE SUN’S BURIAL and A TOWN OF LOVE AND HOPE
Powell & Pressburger - more rarer films that have not been released
Renoir, Jean - THE CRIME OF MONSIEUR LANGE
Rivette, Jacques - PARIS BELONGS TO US, FOOL‘S MATE
Shima, Koji - GOLDEN DEMON
Siodmak, Robert - CRY OF THE CITY
SKOLIMOWSKI, Jerzy - DEEP END
Tsai Ming-Liang - ("looking into some")

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EDITS
Removed announced titles (Room with a View) - June 16, 2015
Removed Out1, guess it wasn't meant to be
Started jazzing the list up with links and better info - June 10, 2015
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#4 Post by Self » Mon May 18, 2015 7:49 pm

Could those soldiers in New Year's Drawing represent French Lieutenant's Woman?

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#5 Post by domino harvey » Mon May 18, 2015 7:53 pm

Despite the title the film's not a military movie

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#6 Post by lacritfan » Thu May 21, 2015 5:28 pm

Maybe the ship in the New Year's drawing was for Watership Down...sorry...

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#7 Post by FrauBlucher » Fri May 22, 2015 7:01 am

David Buttle of Mr Bongo....
Are there plans to release Too Much Johnson or Immortal Story in the U.S.?

Immortal Story rights are with Criterion. We hope to have a U.S deal in place by the end of the year for Too Much Johnson.
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#8 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Fri May 22, 2015 2:40 pm

The Immortal Story has been a Janus title for awhile (maybe always? Who was the original U.S. distributor?). Neither Criterion nor any other U.S. video outfit has ever released it on physical media, but it's been on Criterion's Hulu Plus channel for a few years. Hopefully whatever has kept it off of U.S. video has finally been sorted out.

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#9 Post by Drucker » Fri May 22, 2015 2:46 pm

I feel like it makes more sense as a supplement, given its runtime. Hopefully its included on a release of Chimes or Othello.

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#10 Post by Ashirg » Fri May 22, 2015 2:56 pm

Based on that link, the HD source for The Immortal Story will only be worked on this summer by Gaumont, so hopefully they don't screw it up and Criterion can use it.

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#11 Post by nolanoe » Fri May 22, 2015 4:31 pm

There is a little Fassbinder retrospective going on over here, and I just saw which movies were shown on 35mm and which on DCP.
Now, given this is germany over here, I doubt they'd supply a "DVD"-DCP-Version. Thus, I conclude that every DCP of those are new HD masters which may or may not be released via Criterion:
WARNUNG VOR EINER HEILIGEN NUTTE
DCP OmE 103 Minuten

HÄNDLER DER VIER JAHRESZEITEN
DCP OmE 89 Minuten

DIE BITTEREN TRÄNEN DER PETRA VON KANT
DCP OmE 124 Minuten

WELT AM DRAHT
DCP OmE 210 Minuten

ANGST ESSEN SEELE AUF
DCP OmE 93 Minuten


FONTANE EFFI BRIEST
DCP OmE 141 Minuten

FAUSTRECHT DER FREIHEIT
DCP OmE 123 Minuten

CHINESISCHES ROULETTE
DCP OmE 86 Minuten

DIE EHE DER MARIA BRAUN
DCP OmE 120 Minuten

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#12 Post by kazaam » Mon May 25, 2015 2:40 pm

Self wrote:Could those soldiers in New Year's Drawing represent French Lieutenant's Woman?
I wrote in the New Year's Drawing thread as well that it could be Miklos Jancso's The Round-Up, especially since the new 2k restoration of the film was shown this year at Cannes as part of the Cannes Classics screenings. I don't know anything about distribution rights though, so don't know how much of that could actually be a possibility.

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#13 Post by FrauBlucher » Fri May 29, 2015 12:44 pm

A new 4K restoration of Pickup On South Street plays at the NY Film Forum for a week. I think we can expect an upgrade to follow over the next 6 months or so.

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#14 Post by Drucker » Fri May 29, 2015 12:44 pm

Masters of Cinema have confirmed (at least to me on Twitter) that their disc is from said restoration.

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#15 Post by Rolad » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:17 pm

Is there any reason to assume Clouds of Sils Maria won't end up in the collection? I haven't noticed a release mentioned anywhere else, and I was wondering if Criterion posting Olivier Assayas' Top Ten may indicate an announcement in the near future?

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#16 Post by danieltiger » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:33 am

Rolad wrote:Is there any reason to assume Clouds of Sils Maria won't end up in the collection? I haven't noticed a release mentioned anywhere else, and I was wondering if Criterion posting Olivier Assayas' Top Ten may indicate an announcement in the near future?
It's coming out from Paramount. That doesn't mean it might not also later come out from Criterion though.

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#17 Post by RSTooley » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:49 am

danieltiger wrote:
Rolad wrote:Is there any reason to assume Clouds of Sils Maria won't end up in the collection? I haven't noticed a release mentioned anywhere else, and I was wondering if Criterion posting Olivier Assayas' Top Ten may indicate an announcement in the near future?
It's coming out from Paramount. That doesn't mean it might not also later come out from Criterion though.
I agree with the poster above. I wouldn't rule out a release of Clouds of Sils Maria at a later date. Given the fact that Boyhood was released by Paramount, but has been confirmed for a Criterion special edition at a later date, I would say that Criterion has a decent relationship with the company.

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#18 Post by J Wilson » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:48 am

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:The Immortal Story has been a Janus title for awhile (maybe always? Who was the original U.S. distributor?). Neither Criterion nor any other U.S. video outfit has ever released it on physical media, but it's been on Criterion's Hulu Plus channel for a few years. Hopefully whatever has kept it off of U.S. video has finally been sorted out.
Criterion producer Issa Clubb is appearing on a panel tomorrow at the Welles symposium currently going on at the University of Michigan, and his bio in the list of notables attending states that Othello, Chimes at Midnight, and Immortal Story will all be forthcoming from Criterion this year. Not sure where whoever compiled the bios got the info, but there it is, for what it's worth.

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#19 Post by jwd5275 » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:34 pm

Regarding Forest of the Hanged...
The Film Foundation wrote:Hello,

Thank you for your interest in the World Cinema Project. Unfortunately the restoration for Forest Of The Hanged is currently on hold. Hopefully we can start the process again soon.

Thank you,
The Film Foundation

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#20 Post by Max von Mayerling » Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:39 pm

I'm at this University of Michigan event. Clubb's bio says Chimes, Othello, and Immortal Story are slated for release "within the next year." Rosenbaum just interviewed Clubb. Clubb confirmed they are working on all three. He said they are still looking for source materials for Chimes. He said something about Othello still involving a fair amount of work. So all 3 clearly happening, but I would not assume any will come out this year.

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#21 Post by Drucker » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:24 pm

If Othello still needs a lot of work, hopefully that means they are restoring one of the Welles' cuts, since the Beatrice version from 1992 was just fully restored and should be good to go. Also seems to indicate they won't be using the Spanish restoration of Chimes that played Film Forum and that Bongo are releasing.

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#22 Post by Minkin » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:08 pm

jwd5275 wrote:Regarding Forest of the Hanged...
Thanks for looking into that! I was very confused as to why this was the only WCP film that was on the old website, but not the new one (I'll put a note next to it on my forthcoming list). Glad they are still planning to work on it. Some of these films seem like never-ending restorations or projects. Like a Brighter Summer Day seems like it should all be signed/sealed/delivered as it was restored by them, but it seems like further restoration/rights issues keep coming up.

Speaking of which: The news on the Welles delays makes it sound like Criterion will hopefully be considering that Distribpix/porno company's apparent "pristine print."

Another thought came to me recently - as to why certain films haven't been licensed from MGM (Bergman, Truffaut, etc): Perhaps MGM might be losing the rights to some of these films in the near future - thus Criterion would be more likely to wait and then purchase the rights, rather than license them for a short period (say, 3 years). MGM has been steadily losing rights to films - Persona, silent Htichcock titles, etc - thus perhaps this explains why we haven't seen more of that Bergman box come out (+ why some of the Truffaut titles ended up at TT).

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#23 Post by Max von Mayerling » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:17 pm

Drucker wrote:If Othello still needs a lot of work, hopefully that means they are restoring one of the Welles' cuts, since the Beatrice version from 1992 was just fully restored and should be good to go. Also seems to indicate they won't be using the Spanish restoration of Chimes that played Film Forum and that Bongo are releasing.
Yes - Clubb indicated there would be another version of Othello included (I think we already knew that from Wellesnet, but now we have heard it from the disc producer). Rosenbaum mentioned some version that has turned up in Italy (?), but Clubb did not seem to know anything about it.

And, yes, it did seem from his answer that they will not be using the Spanish restoration of Chimes - or at least they are looking into various possibilities. Anyway, he was not specific.

It sounded like Immortal Story was pretty far along, but they are going to sit on it so they can release it at the same time as Chimes.

Someone asked Clubb about what special features might be included on the discs, but he did not respond with any specifics.

Clubb said that they would eventually upgrade Arkadin to blu, but they are not working on that currently.

Rosenbaum asked whether we might see an edition of Ambersons from Criterion, and Clubb said that he had no idea whether that was possible.

Oh, and in terms of timing on Immortal Story, Chimes, and Othello, Clubb made some comment that they would miss the centennial, so I guess that means it is unlikely we will see any of them this year - but it sounds like they are aiming for 2016 (given the bio saying "within the next year").

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#24 Post by Drucker » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:12 pm

Arkadin to blu sounds more like "we're eventually trying to upgrade all the films to blu-ray", and Ambersons is a real shame, but the rest is great news!

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#25 Post by Max von Mayerling » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:21 pm

Yes, from the discussions re: Warner licenses on this site, I was thinking Ambersons might be a real possibility, but he pretty well threw cold water on that one.

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