Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#951 Post by swo17 » Wed May 01, 2019 12:18 am

swo17 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:24 pm
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domino harvey wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:40 pm
Jgh8xxx wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:30 pm

I said to me it was obvious. I don't agree that any other solution here has been presented that makes more sense.
I don’t think there’s been a single likely guess yet, period, so I don’t think we’re as far apart on this as it may seem!
I'll concede that When We Were Kings was the first thing that came to my mind, and that it very well could be the answer and it's just not a very good clue

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#952 Post by movielocke » Wed May 01, 2019 1:32 am

I also thought of when we were Kings first, but immediately discarded it since the drawing is not if foreman and Ali.

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#953 Post by Lemdog » Wed May 01, 2019 1:34 am

I notice the stars on the crowns are different. I don't know how that helps.
Wenders and Coppola might equal Hammett.

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#954 Post by Blutarsky » Wed May 01, 2019 1:39 am

Could this mind **** be a subtle clue to a forthcoming Inland Empire release in that nobody matters

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#955 Post by dda1996a » Wed May 01, 2019 1:45 am

Lemdog wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 1:34 am
I notice the stars on the crowns are different. I don't know how that helps.
Wenders and Coppola might equal Hammett.
It doesn't look like Wenders though. And he never wore a hat as well.

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#956 Post by Graphist » Wed May 01, 2019 2:12 am

I am probably way, way off but that guy in the hat looks like Chip Kidd, a famous book designer.…

Chip Kidd Coppola?… Maybe some homophone, anagram?

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#957 Post by fdm » Wed May 01, 2019 3:16 am

How about Marie Antoinette?

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#958 Post by Malickite » Wed May 01, 2019 3:32 am

Is there some obscure film called It's the Thought That Counts that I'm not aware of, 'cause that would be perfect.

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#959 Post by jedgeco » Wed May 01, 2019 10:30 am

After further research, I think a Leon Gast box set of When We Were Kings and The Grateful Dead Movie is the only thing that comes closest to making any sense (despite that hair being much too tame for Jerry Garcia, and Leon Gast not being an instantly recognizable celebrity), but I'm not real happy about it, and really hope that someone here has a eureka! moment

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#960 Post by dda1996a » Wed May 01, 2019 10:42 am

But Garcia was the clue for Dead Man, and look how different he looked there. Seems wrong imo

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#961 Post by locustsinthesky » Wed May 01, 2019 11:04 am

I think we need to keep in mind that typically when a famous person is represented in these clues, it's not because they're involved in the movie but because their name is, or a pun involving their name is (Clooney Brown, Notorious BIG, Dead Man, Tom Jones). So if we could positively identify the two men, it would most likely be a pun involving their names combined+thinking/dreaming+crowns/kings that would reveal the answer.

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#962 Post by ptatler » Wed May 01, 2019 11:12 am

Coppola on a bench totally conjures up THE CONVERSATION. However, neither man is conversing so I can't really stick to that landing.

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#963 Post by KJones77 » Wed May 01, 2019 11:17 am

Napoleon?

Coppola NAPping -> Francis/France's monarch -> LEON (Gast? or some other Leon?)

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#964 Post by mteller » Wed May 01, 2019 11:23 am

omg stop saying it's Leon Gast. He's a recognizable figure to, what, maybe 500-1000 people in the world? How many of us DIDN'T have to Google image search him? And it doesn't even look that much like him. I don't see one photo of him in a hat.

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#965 Post by Roscoe » Wed May 01, 2019 1:29 pm

I've seen it suggested that the Coppola figure on the bench is actually Ali, from ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL, which kind of makes sense in the WHEN WE WERE KINGS way...

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#966 Post by KJones77 » Wed May 01, 2019 1:30 pm

Roscoe wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 1:29 pm
I've seen it suggested that the Coppola figure on the bench is actually Ali, from ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL, which kind of makes sense in the WHEN WE WERE KINGS way...
I don't remember him wearing glasses though?

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#967 Post by MongooseCmr » Wed May 01, 2019 1:40 pm

If that is a different “Ali” who could the alternate “Foreman” be? I’m convinced that’s the film in all but the characters drawn and that seems like the key here

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#968 Post by bobbymilk » Wed May 01, 2019 2:05 pm

MongooseCmr wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 1:40 pm
If that is a different “Ali” who could the alternate “Foreman” be? I’m convinced that’s the film in all but the characters drawn and that seems like the key here
Milos Forman. But I agree, Ali didn't wear glasses in the movie.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#969 Post by soundchaser » Wed May 01, 2019 2:07 pm

My Ali suggestion on the last page was only semi-serious, and if he definitely didn't wear glasses in the film (as I said, I don't remember), then I disavow it wholly. :)

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#970 Post by Luke M » Wed May 01, 2019 2:15 pm

Jgh8xxx wrote:I have to say this seems, to me, to so obviously be WHEN WE WERE KINGS that I am shocked about how much debate it has inspired.

Q. What's the only thing different about the men in the two depictions?

A. In one depiction, they are wearing crowns. ie. they are kings. And they're having a memory of being kings, at that.

And we are talking about an Oscar-winning, Sundance, LAFCA, Critics Choice, NYFCC, NSFC, Cinema Eye and Spirit Award-winning documentary here.

And oh, hey look! Its rights were most recently with Gramercy Pictures, just like...

BEFORE THE RAIN
KING OF THE HILL
LA HAINE
THE LAST DAYS OF DISCO
SHALLOW GRAVE

I think we can move along here folks...
I also thought this was an open and shut case of When We Were Kings and nothing posted after has been nearly as compelling.

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#971 Post by movielocke » Wed May 01, 2019 2:15 pm

locustsinthesky wrote:I think we need to keep in mind that typically when a famous person is represented in these clues, it's not because they're involved in the movie but because their name is, or a pun involving their name is (Clooney Brown, Notorious BIG, Dead Man, Tom Jones). So if we could positively identify the two men, it would most likely be a pun involving their names combined+thinking/dreaming+crowns/kings that would reveal the answer.
So we have “Coppola guys” = “Couple of guys”

Couple of dreams?

Couple of Kings?

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#972 Post by movielocke » Wed May 01, 2019 2:19 pm

On the Napoleon front, did Coppola’s father who did the score for Napoleon look like the guy on the left?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#973 Post by soundchaser » Wed May 01, 2019 2:22 pm

Not in the slightest:
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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#974 Post by DeprongMori » Wed May 01, 2019 3:42 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:26 pm
And just to restate swo’s question, which everyone should be asking before making guesses: is this what you’d draw to clue that?
This is my guiding principle for assessing any of my guesses.

I am totally stumped on this one, which I suspect will have us all slapping our foreheads in a few months time when it is revealed.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#975 Post by BigMack3000 » Wed May 01, 2019 4:34 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:42 am
But Garcia was the clue for Dead Man, and look how different he looked there. Seems wrong imo
Yes, but this is much closer to how he looks in the doc.

I'll add to the crazy, and say that the leather jacket is for the Hell's Angel doc, and the hat is similar to one Desi Arnez would wear, who is featured in Gast's Salsa documentary. Also, in between those two docs was one on BB King.

Edit: I'll go even further into the void. It'll be his first 8 documentaries (His 8 pointed star) ending with When We Were Kings. The Grateful Dead doc was his 5th (Jerry Garcia's 5 pointed star).

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