Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#926 Post by Donald Brown » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:00 pm

swo17 wrote:
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It's Burroughs and Ginsburg. Work from there.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#927 Post by ianungstad » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:02 pm

There were rumors from back in 2017 that Criterion was going to release Godard's King Lear. Woody Allen appears in the film. Other cameos include Norman Mailer, Leo Carax, etc. Coppola isn't in it but could it be one of the other actors/cameos from the film? The poster has an image of Godard with a bushy beard.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093349/me ... 1415587328

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#928 Post by domino harvey » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:26 pm

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I was thinking maybe Philippe de Broca and Alan Bates for King of Hearts, but there probably has to be significance that there's two of them imagining it and in the film only Bates is thought to be king by the escaped asylum patients.
Already out from Cohen. And just to restate swo’s question, which everyone should be asking before making guesses: is this what you’d draw to clue that?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#929 Post by Ovader » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:41 pm

HAMMETT as Coppola produced the film starring Frederic Forrest?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#930 Post by swo17 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:19 pm

Donald Brown wrote:
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It's Burroughs and Ginsburg. Work from there.
It would be a good clue for something called Thinking Beats, but that's not a movie

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#931 Post by Donald Brown » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:24 pm

There's apparently a rap documentary called Beat Kings, but something tells me that's not it.

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#932 Post by Minkin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:51 pm

Both Burroughs & Ginsberg are in Chappaqua, which could've been a Criterion pick from Wellspring. But no idea how it would fit into the rest of the clue.

I'm impressed - we haven't been this stumped for a few years! And so far, none of the guesses really standout.

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#933 Post by tarpilot » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:52 pm

Gus Van Sant has adapted the work of both for short films: Discipline of D.E. from a Burroughs essay and a music video of sorts for Ginsberg's "Ballad of the Skeletons"
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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#934 Post by bugsy_pal » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:53 pm

I think it's Burroughs and Ginsberg too, but no idea what film we could be talking about.

My initial thought was that the guy on the left was Buck Henry, but nothing in his filmography seems to fit...

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#935 Post by CSM126 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:53 pm

il Sorpasso

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#936 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:55 pm

Just to add to the confusion, Coppola (executive) produced the Waller Salles-directed adaptation of On The Road, in which Ginsberg and Burroughs are present as characters, but I don't see how this could be a clue for that.

The Beat Generation on film

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#937 Post by Gregory » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:12 pm

Again, bearded Ginsberg was bald-pated and never wore a hairpiece. So how could that be seen as bearing even a passing resemblance to him?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#938 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:32 pm

Nor does the guy on the left look like Burroughs.

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#939 Post by The Narrator Returns » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:45 pm

Oh, I get it, it's a sailboat!

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#940 Post by movielocke » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:55 pm

The Narrator Returns wrote:Oh, I get it, it's a sailboat!
It’s a schooner!

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#941 Post by movielocke » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:03 pm

Lean Cowherd was probably the clue that took the longest, this may take the crown, Holzhauer style.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#942 Post by justeleblanc » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:16 pm

Looks like Soderbergh and Coppola.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#943 Post by jedgeco » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:03 pm

Skimming the last couple pages, I don’t think I’ve seen anybody note that the guy on the left is awake and the one on the right appears to be sleeping in both pictures, which seems deliberate enough to mean something.

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#944 Post by Jgh8xxx » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:20 pm

I have to say this seems, to me, to so obviously be WHEN WE WERE KINGS that I am shocked about how much debate it has inspired.

Q. What's the only thing different about the men in the two depictions?

A. In one depiction, they are wearing crowns. ie. they are kings. And they're having a memory of being kings, at that.

And we are talking about an Oscar-winning, Sundance, LAFCA, Critics Choice, NYFCC, NSFC, Cinema Eye and Spirit Award-winning documentary here.

And oh, hey look! Its rights were most recently with Gramercy Pictures, just like...

BEFORE THE RAIN
KING OF THE HILL
LA HAINE
THE LAST DAYS OF DISCO
SHALLOW GRAVE

I think we can move along here folks...

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#945 Post by domino harvey » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:23 pm

They’re having a memory of wearing the identical outfits and holding the identical poses? And that they’re two very specific-looking dudes has no bearing? There’s a reason this isn’t “obviously” it. Several titles that Criterion could release have been floated as possibilities, that doesn’t serve as evidence of a solution

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#946 Post by Jgh8xxx » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:30 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:23 pm
They’re having a memory of wearing the identical outfits and holding the identical poses? And that they’re two very specific-looking dudes has no bearing? There’s a reason this isn’t “obviously” it. Several titles that Criterion could release have been floated as possibilities, that doesn’t serve as evidence of a solution
I said to me it was obvious. I don't agree that any other solution here has been presented that makes more sense. I also believe that last month's CLUNY BROWN clue has everyone focusing a bit too much on the physical appearance of the characters, which is very rarely a factor in the solution to clues.

We shall see in (hopefully only a few months time) what the truth is :)

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#947 Post by mteller » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:38 pm

Adam Grikepelis wrote:
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Nor does the guy on the left look like Burroughs.
Yeah he does. Except for the coat. Never seen a picture of Burroughs in a coat like that, and it's a very specific garment.

They do both appear slightly happier in their thoughts, but who knows whether that means anything or is just a slight accidental variation.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#948 Post by domino harvey » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:40 pm

Jgh8xxx wrote:
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I said to me it was obvious. I don't agree that any other solution here has been presented that makes more sense.
I don’t think there’s been a single likely guess yet, period, so I don’t think we’re as far apart on this as it may seem!

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#949 Post by mteller » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:47 pm

Jgh8xxx wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:30 pm
I also believe that last month's CLUNY BROWN clue has everyone focusing a bit too much on the physical appearance of the characters, which is very rarely a factor in the solution to clues.
You're wrong about that. Almost every time a person is rendered in a clue, it's meant to be a specific person. When it's not (e.g., To Sleep With Anger), the person is drawn in a very non-descript, generic fashion. These two guys have very distinctive features and there's also that coat. If you were to draw what are supposed to be two random anypeople, would you give them both glasses?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#950 Post by Rayon Vert » Wed May 01, 2019 12:10 am

I don't know if these details have any significance:
- they both have arms crossed (and one legs)
- they have reversed colors (black top, white bottom and vice versa)
- they don't appear to wear shoes?

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