Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum
- Lino
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- colinr0380
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I agree. Perhaps it is being saved for a big St Trinian's boxset - wasn't Happiest Days Of Your Life the inspiration for the later five films? Does Optimum have the rights to them as well?MichaelB wrote:most of the titles I mention still aren't available - not even total classics like The Happiest Days of Your Life.
If that isn't in the package at the very least, Optimum have dropped the ball badly - not least because they definitely own the rights.
- MichaelB
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There's already been a St Trinian's boxset, containing the first four films. I suppose there's scope for a more extensive one including the reputedly unwatchable Wildcats of St Trinian's (belatedly made in 1980, fifteen years after the fourth film), but there's no formal connection between Happiest Days and the St Trinian's cycle apart from the involvement of Sim and the writer/director tesm of Frank Launder and Sidney Gilliat. Plus the fact that its huge box office success made them look for another exploitable school property.colinr0380 wrote:Perhaps it is being saved for a big St Trinian's boxset - wasn't Happiest Days Of Your Life the inspiration for the later five films? Does Optimum have the rights to them?
One good thing about the Optimum box is that it also gets more Launder and Gilliat films into circulation - off the top of my head, I think all these films are their work (though Robert Day is the credited director, they wrote and produced The Green Man).
UPDATE: Laughter in Paris is the exception, directed by Mario Zampi. But it's also one of the funniest films in the collection, so that's hardly a complaint - Sim's body language when he has to shoplift some jewellery in order to fulfil the terms of a will is truly priceless.
- Scharphedin2
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Amen!!ellipsis7 wrote:The big news is surely the late announced edition of Visconti's SENSO...
Although a shame that it is not MoC or Criterion making this announcement. This not meant to be a slur on Optimum, who is doing a great job at making many, many films available to the English-speaking world, but simply that this is one particular film that I would have thought to have looked just gorgeous dressed up in MoC's careful and beautifully crafed cover art and with a nice exhaustive book(let) to go along. Maybe there is still hope for Criterion down the road (?) In any event, wonderful to finally be able to see this seminal Visconti film.
- tryavna
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Wasn't Basil Dearden involved in The Green Man's production in some way or another? I love this film and don't doubt that Launder & Gilliat are its true auteurs, but Dearden was no slouch as a director/producer. So I'm just curious what sort of input he had.MichaelB wrote:(though Robert Day is the credited director, they wrote and produced The Green Man).
- MichaelB
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I haven't done much research into this, but my understanding is that Dearden provided some uncredited directorial assistance to Robert Day, whose debut it was. Launder and Gilliat themselves seem to have had a less hands-on role than usual - possibly because it was adapted from a play of theirs, rather than an original screen creation.tryavna wrote:Wasn't Basil Dearden involved in The Green Man's production in some way or another? I love this film and don't doubt that Launder & Gilliat are its true auteurs, but Dearden was no slouch as a director/producer. So I'm just curious what sort of input he had.
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I would bet the farm that the same thing that happened with Spirit of the Beehive is going to happen to Senso, aka, Optimum will precede a bells and whistles Criterion edition not more than a year later.ellipsis7 wrote:The big news is surely the late announced edition of Visconti's SENSO...
I've waited for this great, great film to be released onto a nice video format for over 20 years, and I'll wager that this time next year, I'll be owning 2 copies of it from 2 different labels.
Not that I'm complaining, of course!
- ellipsis7
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What has changed since BEEHIVE is that Optimum has been taken over by Studio Canal in R2 UK, and Studio Canal have also made a blanket licensing deal for US R1 with Lionsgate, so product that previously might have been heading towards Criterion, could now be Lionsgate bound...I would bet the farm that the same thing that happened with Spirit of the Beehive is going to happen to Senso, aka, Optimum will precede a bells and whistles Criterion edition not more than a year later.
- foggy eyes
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Optimum keep 'em coming:
From DVD Times:
From DVD Times:
As previously mentioned, also on the cards are three Beckers (£17.99 each), three Fullers and four Western Classics(barebones, £12.99 each).Senso - £17.99 - Venice. 1866. After a night walking the empty streets of the ancient city together, a countess (Alida Valli, The Third Man) falls in love with an Austrian officer (Farley Granger, Strangers on A Train) and becomes his mistress. War breaks out and separates them until she eventually finds him again in the throes of battle against the Italians. Betraying both her principles and her cause, she tries to reform him with cruel and tragic consequences for them both…
Directed by Italian legend Luchino Visconti, Senso makes its UK DVD debut, remastered and presented in 1.33:1 Full Frame with Italian Mono and English subtitles. There are no listed extras.
- justeleblanc
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- Don Lope de Aguirre
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- Oedipax
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- Lino
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I have it for the longest time on a french SE DVD. The movie has been described as a sort of grade-A underground classic or something (i.e., a movie made with little to no money but one that succeeds to come out a winner on all fronts).Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:Any thoughts on Gainsbourg's 'Je t'aime pas non plus'?
It sounds rather risqué.
A gay classic of sorts, too. And let's not forget that if features Gainsbourg's timeless song all throughout the movie, which really helps too!
- ellipsis7
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Just a quick run down through the virtues and drawbacks of the Optimum/Studio Canal R2 Jean Renoir 7 disc UK box...
GRAND ILLUSION - fixed white subs, 2 Renoir shorts, Vincendeau intro, Renoir intro (same as single Optimum disc)
LA BETE HUMAINE - removable white subs, trailer (port in of Studio Canal disc)
ELENA ET LES HOMMES - grainy print with scratches and sparkles, nasty colour, fixed large yellow subs (where did this come from?)
LA MARSEILLAISE - removable white subs, port in of beautifully restored French print (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE DEJEUNER SUR l'HERBE - removable white subs, anamorphic, french docu xtra (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE TESTAMENT DU DOCTEUR CORDELIER - removable white subs, trailer (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE CAPORAL EPINGLE - removable white subs, anamorphic, french docu xtra (port in of Studio Canal disc)
Conclusion - this makes a nice complementary set to the CC discs... In other words stick with Criterion for LA BETE HUMAINE, GRAND ILLUSION and STAGE & SPECTACLE BOX (including ELENA AND HER MEN)...
The Optimum box presents decent copies of LA MARSEILLAISE, DEJEUNER SUR l'HERBE, LE TESTAMENT DE DOCTEUR CORDELIER and LE CAPORAL EPINGLE with nice removable Eng subs added to the excellent French Studio Canal editions...
Bin the Optimum ELENA, keep the Optimum GRAND ILLUSION for the shorts & Renoir intro (on CC disc too) and have LA BETE HUMAINE as a spare copy!....
GRAND ILLUSION - fixed white subs, 2 Renoir shorts, Vincendeau intro, Renoir intro (same as single Optimum disc)
LA BETE HUMAINE - removable white subs, trailer (port in of Studio Canal disc)
ELENA ET LES HOMMES - grainy print with scratches and sparkles, nasty colour, fixed large yellow subs (where did this come from?)
LA MARSEILLAISE - removable white subs, port in of beautifully restored French print (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE DEJEUNER SUR l'HERBE - removable white subs, anamorphic, french docu xtra (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE TESTAMENT DU DOCTEUR CORDELIER - removable white subs, trailer (port in of Studio Canal disc)
LE CAPORAL EPINGLE - removable white subs, anamorphic, french docu xtra (port in of Studio Canal disc)
Conclusion - this makes a nice complementary set to the CC discs... In other words stick with Criterion for LA BETE HUMAINE, GRAND ILLUSION and STAGE & SPECTACLE BOX (including ELENA AND HER MEN)...
The Optimum box presents decent copies of LA MARSEILLAISE, DEJEUNER SUR l'HERBE, LE TESTAMENT DE DOCTEUR CORDELIER and LE CAPORAL EPINGLE with nice removable Eng subs added to the excellent French Studio Canal editions...
Bin the Optimum ELENA, keep the Optimum GRAND ILLUSION for the shorts & Renoir intro (on CC disc too) and have LA BETE HUMAINE as a spare copy!....
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It's nearly a masterpiece. Gainsbourg was a first-rate filmmaker. The only feature of his I haven't seen is 'Stan the Flasher,' his final one, although it is available on disc in France, in what kind of quality I'm not sure. A double-disc double-feature also exists (in a terribly designed package) which contains (without subtitles) his second and third films, 'Equateur' and 'Charlotte for ever.' As good as 'Je t'aime moi non plus' and 'Equateur' are, 'Charlotte' is *the one*.Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:Any thoughts on Gainsbourg's 'Je t'aime pas non plus'?
It sounds rather risqué
From a 2001 interview with Godard in Libération, around the release of 'Eloge de l'amour,' conducted by Michèle Halberstadt:
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Michèle Halberstadt: I've always seen a parallel between you and Serge
Gainsbourg.
Jean-Luc Godard: Thank you. I'm very fond of 'Charlotte for ever.' I was thinking of the duality between the work and the person.
Michèle Halberstadt: We admired the musician but had trouble with the public persona. With you it's the opposite. We respect the man more than we look at the work.
Jean-Luc Godard: The paths have moved apart. I've remained a memorialist of this profession in all its qualities. I've always liked every aspect of cinema. This world of film, which is the world in miniature. Films come into being at a certain moment, they bloom, they live, grow old, die, all within a brief period of time.
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Small piece I wrote about the film earlier in the year:
The third of Gainsbourg's four features sees the auteur continue his application of a workhorse rigor to all aspects of mise-en-scène. Torqued camera movements anticipate post-Damnation Béla Tarr in their ability to Rubik'ize three-dimensional space, while careful lighting (achieved by way of Willy Kurant) assists in consideration of the seven- or eight-room set — a stand-in for chez Serge — as a shadow-zone of personal tragedy and lapse in self-belief. With regard to the scenario: here I have only the vaguest understanding (no subtitles; my middling ear for spoken French). I know that Serge appears in the role of a quasi-alter-ego named "Stan" (SG's final feature is Stan the Flasher), a successful artist, a widower, a semi-functioning alcoholic; and that Serge's daughter Charlotte plays Stan's own early-teen giddy fille, flanked by cocktease schoolmates of the genus Hughes-Deutch. Stan and Charlotte share a rapport induced by deep mutual affection, a sense of the tragic, and an undertone of incest; Stan carries out (real or imagined) flings with one of Charlotte's friends; Charlotte beats her rival nearly to death on the Hoover'd parlor floor. So those details are clear, fine — but why Serge's performance here never became the stuff of canons remains rather murky to me. Suffice it to say that in Charlotte for ever, Gainsbourg-par-Gainsbourg is on par with the best of Montgomery Clift. (Probably not a good thing for some of the ciné-vieux, but a great thing for me, who admires Terminal Station above all other De Sicas. Although I suppose Clift is the Method-ist that MacMahonists allow themselves to like...) "Stan" is a role Pacino would have spent six months "crafting," but it's a performance which Gainsbourg pulls straight from his gut. Literally so, too, since one of the picture's final sequences finds him in single-shot medium-close-up as he repeatedly plunges a leather-clad fist past the barrier of his own lips to gag up a gallon of very actual, glaucous, puke. It's an arresting scene which maybe climaxes Gainsbourg's cinematic investigations of (here's that word again) the barrier of the body or, more accurately, the body as barrier and bûcher, pyre. Of course, he's plumbed this notion through the entire body of his work — recall the lines in "Premiers symptômes" off L'Homme à tête de chou that go: "Then, dragging my sneakers, / I would lock myself up in the water-closets / And there throw up my alcohol and my loathing... / I'd emerge, staggering, / And the little children would laugh at my cauliflower ears — / I had acquired, bit by bit, the head of a boxer" (my translation).
Like much of Godard in the '80s, Charlotte for ever is a transgressive film in the noblest sense; like much of Godard in the '60s, there's even a questionnaire scene, in which Serge/Stan helps Charlotte out with some homework catechism by supplying a stream of (truly) improvised answers that makes her shake with laughter. But keep in mind: if Serge was Jean-Luc's only equal in the art of the riposte, he was also up there with Miéville in exalting the tearful reconciliation. I'm speaking of the glorious final scene, when the walls between real-life and movie-making definitively collapse from the force of Serge's sobs, and he unleashes his camera toward a closing gesture that would be worthy of Resnais. What a beautiful film!!!
craig.
- Don Lope de Aguirre
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Thanks for the info guys, much appreciated! I was only able to find
one article about this film online.
All that sodomy and no discussion? Considering the extras in the French edition it's disappointing that the UK edition is 'bare'. Still, maybe some actions speak for themselves.
one article about this film online.
All that sodomy and no discussion? Considering the extras in the French edition it's disappointing that the UK edition is 'bare'. Still, maybe some actions speak for themselves.
- Tommaso
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Thanks for the info on the Renoir box, Ellipsis. Considering the price of the Optimum set, I would still suggest getting the Lionsgate box (no doubles with any CC releases) instead if you can live without "Dejeuner sur l'herbe", as the films already released by Criterion seem to be far superior in the CC version. Of course I'm wondering what will be in OPtimum's Vol.2 set: I assume they will at least take over "Nana" from the Lionsgate set, but they might throw in english subbed versions of "La chienne" and "On purge Bébé" at least. The prospect of a second Optimum box currently also holds me back from getting the French or Spanish releases of "Catherine" and "Tire-au-flanc" (those being silent don't pose as much problems language-wise). But I fear they will rather complete the Stage&Spectacle trilogy or do "The Lower depths" and "Boudu"...
- Don Lope de Aguirre
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- justeleblanc
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- Tommaso
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Breillat may be a genius, but Gainsbourg clearly wasn't, at least not as film director. "je t'aime" is really abysmal in my view. If you must see Gainsbourg on film, get the nice French 2-disc collection of his TV appearances and occasional video clips called "D'autres nouvelles des etoiles". Great music, of course, and especially the older pieces are incredibly stylish. "Ce mortel ennui" looks like a Roxy Music video, only 20 years earlier....
- justeleblanc
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Or the TV musical Anna, which is supposed to be quite enjoyable.Tommaso wrote:Breillat may be a genius, but Gainsbourg clearly wasn't, at least not as film director. "je t'aime" is really abysmal in my view. If you must see Gainsbourg on film, get the nice French 2-disc collection of his TV appearances and occasional video clips called "D'autres nouvelles des etoiles". Great music, of course, and especially the older pieces are incredibly stylish. "Ce mortel ennui" looks like a Roxy Music video, only 20 years earlier....
- colinr0380
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It does sound interesing!justeleblanc wrote:Or the TV musical Anna, which is supposed to be quite enjoyable.