843 Punch-Drunk Love

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#101 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:46 pm

domino harvey wrote:
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mfunk9786 wrote:because of the open wounds associated with it, The Master
Can you say what you're referring to here? I didn't realize PTA was unhappy with that film.
Jeremy Renner's still not returning his calls Image
You're on a roll today, dom.

Maybe those wounds extend to his lack of participation in any new extras for this, too.

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#102 Post by ianthemovie » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:47 pm

Ah, right. For a second I wondered whether PTA had gotten into some sort of spat with Megan Ellison over cutting the film that I had never heard about!

I had completely forgotten about Renner being in talks for Freddie Quell. Judging from past experience (Joaquin Phoenix replacing Renner and Robert Downey Jr. in Inherent Vice) we should cross our fingers that PTA's first casting choices continue to fall through.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#103 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:48 pm

I didn't mean to get all pop psychologist about it - I just think recording a feature length commentary for a film prominently featuring someone close to you who recently died unexpectedly/tragically/in a way that was closely associated with work you did together (Hoffman had his first drink in more than two decades at the wrap party for The Master) might not be something anyone's lining up for, whether it be this film or The Master

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#104 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:50 pm

ianthemovie wrote:I had completely forgotten about Renner being in talks for Freddie Quell. Judging from past experience (Joaquin Phoenix replacing Renner and Robert Downey Jr. in Inherent Vice) we should cross our fingers that PTA's first casting choices continue to fall through.
Considering the density of the dialogue, I would have loved to see the Robert Downey Jr/Charlize Theron incarnation of Inherent Vice - I like Joaquin Phoenix in most roles but his mumbling didn't do that film any favors, particularly when the sound was being blasted at max volume at the NYFF premiere to the point of complete incomprehension at times

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#105 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:51 pm

ianthemovie wrote:I had completely forgotten about Renner being in talks for Freddie Quell. Judging from past experience (Joaquin Phoenix replacing Renner and Robert Downey Jr. in Inherent Vice) we should cross our fingers that PTA's first casting choices continue to fall through.
And Sean Penn was originally going to play Hoffman's part in this.

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#106 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:54 pm

Thank God for small favors.

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#107 Post by ianthemovie » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:59 pm

Phoenix's mumbling in Inherent Vice worked for me, as did just about every other aspect of the performance. He reminded me of an R. Crumb cartoon. I've also never been a fan of Downey, so there's that.

In any case it's unfathomable to consider a Renner/Penn Master. Phoenix and Hoffman are staggering in that film--I don't know that Hoffman in particular was ever better. His rendition of "Slow Boat To China" and Phoenix's reaction shots are so strange, sad, and somehow chilling that they leave me in a cold sweat every time I watch that scene. I don't know of another pair of actors who could have played that moment as well (nor another writer who could have devised it in the first place).

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#108 Post by diamonds » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:05 pm

Yeah but PT Anderson was going through the Tati phase when making PDL.
Can someone explain this? It seems to complement the official description that refers to the film channeling "the whimsy of Jacques Tati," though I don't really see the similarities between this film and Tati's.

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#109 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:16 pm

ianthemovie wrote:In any case it's unfathomable to consider a Renner/Penn Master.
Sean Penn was considered for Philip Seymour Hoffman's role in Punch-Drunk Love, not The Master.

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#110 Post by ianthemovie » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:18 pm

Well that makes slightly more sense...

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#111 Post by Red Screamer » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:21 pm

diamonds wrote:
Yeah but PT Anderson was going through the Tati phase when making PDL.
Can someone explain this? It seems to complement the official description that refers to the film channeling "the whimsy of Jacques Tati," though I don't really see the similarities between this film and Tati's.
Me neither. As far as slapstick goes, the film and, especially, Sandler's performance are more in the vein of Jerry Lewis.

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#112 Post by knives » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:21 pm

diamonds wrote:
Yeah but PT Anderson was going through the Tati phase when making PDL.
Can someone explain this? It seems to complement the official description that refers to the film channeling "the whimsy of Jacques Tati," though I don't really see the similarities between this film and Tati's.
Anderson's always claimed that the film was inspired by his mutual love of Sandler films and Tati.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#113 Post by swo17 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:26 pm

There are certainly some comic moments having to do with where people are positioned in the frame. The scene where Barry breaks the window at the family party seems somewhat indebted to Tati as well.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#114 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:28 pm

Guys, let's all watch Punch-Drunk Love

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#115 Post by domino harvey » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:29 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:Guys, let's all eat Healthy Choice products

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#116 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:47 pm


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#117 Post by djproject » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:50 am

diamonds wrote:
Yeah but PT Anderson was going through the Tati phase when making PDL.
Can someone explain this? It seems to complement the official description that refers to the film channeling "the whimsy of Jacques Tati," though I don't really see the similarities between this film and Tati's.
There are moments of simultaneous and parallel actions that are similar to Tati. The best example of this is the scene when Lena and Elizabeth meet with Barry to arrange a group date. As the conversation continues and Barry's nervousness and agitation bubbles more and more, accidents occur within the warehouse.

[Another thought: Barry's blue suit can be seen as a nod to Hulot's pipe and hat.]

I would say the Tati film that comes close to this is M. Hulot's Holiday.
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#118 Post by djproject » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:51 am

domino harvey wrote:
mfunk9786 wrote:Guys, let's all eat Healthy Choice products
Better than Dunkin' Donuts or Oreo's or whatever else was advertised to us on Jack & Jill.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#119 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:11 am

I always prefer when real products turn up in movies as opposed to (almost always) goofy imitations. Takes me right out of the realism every time.

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#120 Post by cdnchris » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:23 am

That never actually bothered me because the incident that the whole frequent flyer points thing is based on actually involved Healthy Choice products.

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#121 Post by ianthemovie » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:51 pm

The (wonderful) moment when the phone booth in Hawaii lights up at the exact moment that Lena finally picks up on the other end is another bit of Tati-inspired comic timing.

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#122 Post by djproject » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:22 am

Oh yeah, the use of the iris is another Tati moment.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#123 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:32 pm

Hopefully this opens the doors for other PTA's movies to get the CC treatment. Namely Hard Eight/Sydney, but one can hope for others too.

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#124 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:59 pm

There'd really be no reason for the others, though

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Re: 843 Punch-Drunk Love

#125 Post by swo17 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:01 pm

Doesn't the There Will Be Blood BD suffer from heavy edge enhancement?

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