110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#26 Post by CSM126 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:54 pm

manicsounds wrote:Has anyone compared how the extras compare to the France/UK release?

Also, where are the extras from the previous releases including the Playtime commentary, the 2-hour documentary from the Trafic DVD, etc.
Hopefully they will be included. Or then it wouldn't be very "complete".
Both of those things you mentioned are clearly listed among the special features.

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#27 Post by atcolomb » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:45 pm

Not sure if this has been answered but will Playtime with the box set be the same transfer as Playtime released on blu-ray back in 2009?

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#28 Post by WorstFella » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:16 pm

atcolomb wrote:Not sure if this has been answered but will Playtime with the box set be the same transfer as Playtime released on blu-ray back in 2009?
It will be a new restoration/transfer.

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#29 Post by rrenault » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:55 am

Is there any chance of the Tati titles being put on Hulu at some point?

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#30 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:47 am

CSM126 wrote:
manicsounds wrote:Has anyone compared how the extras compare to the France/UK release?

Also, where are the extras from the previous releases including the Playtime commentary, the 2-hour documentary from the Trafic DVD, etc.
Hopefully they will be included. Or then it wouldn't be very "complete".
Both of those things you mentioned are clearly listed among the special features.
The Tempo 25 min interview in english is not on Criterion and it depends on the length of the Goudet pieces that are quite hefty on the SC.

Also like manic I don't see the exact same bonus from Trafic and Playtime listed on the new Crit box or am I just being daft?

Full specs of SC with bonus.


Blu-Ray 1 : Jour de fête [BD 50]
Version 1949 : N&B - 1.37 / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 87 min
Version 1964 : N&B avec éléments colorisés - 1.37 - / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 80 min
Version 1994 (version Thomson-Color) : Couleur - 1.37 / Mpeg-2 - 576i / Dolby Digital 2.0 / 77 min

Blu-Ray 2 : Les Vacances de Mr Hulot [BD 25]
Version 1978 : N&B - 1.37 / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 89 min
Version 1953 : N&B - 1.37 / Mpeg-2 - 576i / Dolby Digital 2.0 / 95 min

Blu-Ray 3 : Mon oncle [BD 50]
Couleur - 1.37 / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 116 min
My Uncle : Couleur - 1.37 / Mpeg-2 - 576i / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 106 min

Blu-Ray 4 : Playtime [BD 50]
Couleur - 1.78 / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 3.0 / 124 min

Blu-Ray 5 : Trafic [BD 25]
Couleur - 1.37 / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / AVC - 1080p / 98 min

Blu-Ray 6 : Parade [BD 25]
Couleur - 1.37 / AVC - 1080p / DTS-HD MA 1.0 / 90 min

Blu-Ray 7 : Les Courts métrages [BD 25]
Sept courts métrages restaurés (1.37 - HD 1080p) :
Suppléments

Jour de fête

Bande-annonce originale (2 min 30)
À l’américaine. Film d’analyse de Stéphane Goudet (81 min)


Les vacances de Monsieur Hulot

Beau temps, vent léger : film d’analyse de Stéphane Goudet (39 min)


Mon oncle

Tout est beau / Tout communique : film d’analyse de Stéphane Goudet (51 min)

Playtime

Jacques Tati, invité de ABC Tempo (25 min)
Like Home : film d’analyse de Stéphane Goudet (18 min)
Séquences commentées par Jérôme Deschamps (12 min)
Séquences commentées par Stéphane Goudet (12 min)

Trafic

Trafic International : interview de Jonathan Romney, critique de cinéma (15 min)



Parade

En piste : film d’analyse de Stéphane Goudet (27 min)

Les courts métrages

On demande une brute (1934 - N&B - 25’)
Gai dimanche (1935 - N&B - 22’)
Soigne ton gauche (1936 - N&B - 13’)
L’Ecole des facteurs (1946 - N&B - 16’)
Cours du soir (1967 - Couleur - 29’)
Dégustation maison (1976 - Couleur - 14’)
Forza Bastia (1978 - Couleur - 28’)

Bonus : Les leçons du professeur Goudet : analyse du cinéma de Jacques Tati par Stéphane Goudet et Simon Wallon-Brownstone (31 min)

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#31 Post by CSM126 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:06 am

The selected scene commentary from Playtime and the In the Footsteps of M. Hulot doc from Trafic are both listed there, so maybe you are daft. :lol:

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#32 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:07 am

CSM126 wrote:The selected scene commentary from Playtime and the In the Footsteps of M. Hulot doc from Trafic are both listed there.
In effect. All my excuses.

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#33 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:13 am

So it would appear that if all 5 Goudet pieces are untruncated the only things missing from the SC are the Tempo and Romney interviews.

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#34 Post by HitchcockLang » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:03 am

It looks as though they've filled in some of the dead air in the Kemp selected scene commentary by adding two other commentators, but they're still calling it a selected scene commentary.

I found the Kemp commentary so enlightening that I'd love to see a full commentary on PlayTime.

Also, I remember reading a review somewhere that said the BFI Blu-Ray of PlayTime had a commentary by Kemp but didn't say selected scene. I've often wondered if the BFI had a longer commentary that was only excerpted for the Criterion? Anyone know?

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#35 Post by CSM126 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:03 am

I'm curious about the layout of the blu set. It's listed as seven discs, one for each feature and one for the shorts. But with three versions of Jour de fete and two versions each of Holiday and Mon Oncle, plus all those extras, that seems like a low number. One would figure two discs for each of those films given the amount of content. I know criterion have pulled some miracles in regards to fitting tons of content on one blu ray, but that seems to be pushing it just a little.

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#36 Post by Jeff » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:14 am

CSM126 wrote:I'm curious about the layout of the blu set. It's listed as seven discs, one for each feature and one for the shorts. But with three versions of Jour de fete and two versions each of Holiday and Mon Oncle, plus all those extras, that seems like a low number. One would figure two discs for each of those films given the amount of content. I know criterion have pulled some miracles in regards to fitting tons of content on one blu ray, but that seems to be pushing it just a little.
Criterion has shown that they can comfortably fit five hours or more of video content on a disc. The three versions of Jour de fete, two of Holiday, and two of Mon Oncle add up to less than four hours per disc, and I'd imagine the supplements specific to those films are less than an hour each. The supplements that aren't film-specific will probably end up on the shorts disc.

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#37 Post by andyli » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:04 am

HitchcockLang wrote:It looks as though they've filled in some of the dead air in the Kemp selected scene commentary by adding two other commentators, but they're still calling it a selected scene commentary.

I found the Kemp commentary so enlightening that I'd love to see a full commentary on PlayTime.

Also, I remember reading a review somewhere that said the BFI Blu-Ray of PlayTime had a commentary by Kemp but didn't say selected scene. I've often wondered if the BFI had a longer commentary that was only excerpted for the Criterion? Anyone know?
Yes, I bought the BFI release just for the full-length commentary, and it turned out very rewarding. I'll keep the edition when I buy The CC box just for the sake of the track.

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#38 Post by EddieLarkin » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:15 am

Jeff wrote:Criterion has shown that they can comfortably fit five hours or more of video content on a disc.
I don't know that they did it "comfortably". The TV version of Fanny & Alexander certainly suffered compared to the shorter cut. That said, I don't hold the alternative versions of Tati's films to the same level of importance as the TV version of Fanny & Alexander.

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#39 Post by HitchcockLang » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:17 pm

andyli wrote:Yes, I bought the BFI release just for the full-length commentary, and it turned out very rewarding. I'll keep the edition when I buy The CC box just for the sake of the track.
I wonder why Criterion could not/chose not to include the full length commentary.

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#40 Post by Minkin » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:53 pm

I suppose now is an excellent time to recommend that everyone pickup/download the Tati soundtrack (although it is missing Trafic, my favorite Tati film, probably due to the Studio Canal rights problems of yesteryear).

This is now my favorite thing Criterion has done, and its going to be a long wait until the beginning of November (sale). The alternate versions of the first three films sound rather interesting. I never bought the BFI sets (had held off for this set, am now glad I did). Are these mostly just different experiments with color/sound vs alternate angles/shots? I suppose I'll have to watch the comparison featurette before anything else. :P

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#41 Post by manicsounds » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:41 am

Minkin wrote:Are these mostly just different experiments with color/sound vs alternate angles/shots?
Yes and No. Some are different shots and different takes, some are just audio dubs. For the differences between the color and black and white Jour De Fete, the color and black and white cameras were side by side 2 different cameras.

Take a look At the captures of Tati on the bicycle with the military police jeep in the background

You can see the black and white version and color versions are the same take, but different camera angles. Notice the position of the bike handle in the black and white version compared to the color.

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#42 Post by Minkin » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:35 am

manicsounds wrote:Yes and No. Some are different shots and different takes, some are just audio dubs. For the differences between the color and black and white Jour De Fete, the color and black and white cameras were side by side 2 different cameras.
Thanks for clearing that up! Fortunately I absolutely love all of Tati's films, so will have no problem checking out all the many versions. I hope the comparison feature talks about Tati's preferred cut/edit/audio/etc. Having only seen what is available on Criterion's old discs, are there any of the versions that people might recommend/give priority over others?

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#43 Post by Roger Ryan » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:32 am

Tati actually shot new footage for MONSIEUR HULOT'S HOLIDAY over twenty years after the original film premiered to capitalize on a prominent blockbuster from the summer of 1975. Normally, I would find this kind of revisionism crass, but the new gag was funny enough that I'm happy to have this alternate edit of the film included.

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#44 Post by manicsounds » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:37 am

I'd say go with the original versions first (The color Jour De Fete, the original cut of Holiday, and the French version of Mon Oncle)

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#45 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:42 am

Isn't the black & white version of Jour de fete the original (i.e. the one released in 1949?)

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#46 Post by CSM126 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:56 am

EddieLarkin wrote:Isn't the black & white version of Jour de fete the original (i.e. the one released in 1949?)
Technically the black and white and color versions are both the original, since they were filmed simultaneously.

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#47 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:00 am

Right, but the latter didn't see the light of day for 45 years. I assume that's why Criterion are grouping it with the 1964 cut as an alternative version.

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#48 Post by zedz » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:48 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:Right, but the latter didn't see the light of day for 45 years. I assume that's why Criterion are grouping it with the 1964 cut as an alternative version.
The colour Jour de Fete should probably be understood as the original, since it was the intended release version at the time. It was only because of a technological foul-up that they couldn't strike prints from it, and the black and white release was a (very successful) salvage job. Given the precision of Tati's mise en scene, even a few feet's difference in camera position could be significant.

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#49 Post by shaky » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:02 pm

Thanks for all the clear-ups, everybody. I'll be watching the 1994 full color version.

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#50 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:07 pm

zedz wrote:The colour Jour de Fete should probably be understood as the original, since it was the intended release version at the time. It was only because of a technological foul-up that they couldn't strike prints from it, and the black and white release was a (very successful) salvage job. Given the precision of Tati's mise en scene, even a few feet's difference in camera position could be significant.
Indeed the BFI set included it as the primary version, with the 1964 cut as the only alternative. Here, Criterion are including the 1949 cut as the primary, whilst assigning the 1953 Les vacances de Monsieur Hulot as an alternative and instead giving prominence to the 1978 re-cut. Their logic seems off.

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