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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#26 Post by gcgiles1dollarbin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:32 pm

domino harvey wrote:The four greatest directors of the Classical Hollywood era-- John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, and Otto Preminger-- were by most accounts total and complete assholes and they consistently made skillful, important, and valuable contributions to cinema. I haven't seen this movie but I-- underline, bold, italics, larger font size-- don't care if a director is a dick if it results in a great film. I have no idea if this is one, but out of hope for greatness, I reserve the right to not care about the "ethics" of the construction of any film, good or bad.
I'm reading about Hawks right now, and it seems to me that--in spite of his general reputation as a necessarily aloof, insensitive ringmaster--he only managed to shoot himself in the foot whenever he stole material/walked off a project/betrayed a friend/etc. This behavior is more legendary and therefore seems to inform his successes without actually accounting for those successes when one takes the trouble to chart the development of his career. I would wager that he would have been far more successful had he spent less time trying to take credit for the contributions of other people, for example.

At any rate, none of what I say intends a boycott of material produced by occasionally mean people. I only maintain that those directors' successes owe nothing to their reputations as "complete" assholes (which I'm scare-quoting in order to challenge; Hawks, for one, could be a perfect gentleman on the set, and often remarkably hands-off when actors were performing well; for example, the set of His Girl Friday seemed like a dream of creative latitude, permitting improvisations from Russell and Grant in order to suit the manic temper of the film).

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#27 Post by FakeBonanza » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:53 pm

Just returned from this. The performances are exceptional, and it's a well told story both in terms of narrative and form, but it didn't excite me from a stylistic standpoint. Maybe all the handheld camerawork is conducive to telling this particular story, but that visual aesthetic is beginning to wear on me.

I suppose that, having just sat in the theatre for three hours, my overall opinion is still taking shape.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#28 Post by Jeff » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:39 pm

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#30 Post by Finch » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:49 am

Is that the same Kechiche who only a few weeks ago railed that the film should now not be released because it's been "tainted" by the controversy around it?

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#31 Post by whaleallright » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:13 am

The four greatest directors of the Classical Hollywood era-- John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, and Otto Preminger-- were by most accounts total and complete assholes
This is one of the most hyperbolic and irresponsible things I've ever read on this board, and I would have expected better of its author. We've all read the anecdotes. All of these guys were capable of cruelty, fits of anger, disloyalty, etc. under certain conditions. But they were also complex human beings (to be redundant about it). To dismiss them as "total and complete assholes" is to reject that complexity in favor of a simple tabloid sensationalism. That's not to excuse their bad behavior, of course, or to offer any kind of at-a-remove apology for Kechiche, who seems like a man who needs to cultivate a bit more self-awareness.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#32 Post by Black Hat » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:18 am

I have to say this film was something else. I'm obviously not sure how much staying power it'll have with me long term (I suspect it will) but upon initial viewing after a bit of a slow start this film was fantastic. There were a few things that made you scratch your head but frankly the performances were so amazing that the characters real life irrationalities filled in the blanks. Without trying to be hyperbolic, the dramatic confrontation of the film is the best of its kind that I have ever seen. It was a perfectly earned uncomfortable moment where as an audience member you felt the pain of watching something you shouldn't be watching but couldn't turn away because it was just that compelling.

Kechiche also did a wonderful job of, where so many other directors have failed, of creating a realistic club setting or for that matter social settings, especially of an artistic vein. He really showed a knack for what these places are like, how a moment of loneliness can turn into an evening of company or how you can feel lost or alienated even when people are showing an interest in you. The high school scenes were a bit hit and miss for me especially since it ultimately didn't add up to much.

On the 'sex', so often you hear these things, watch the movie and are like that's what they made a big deal about? Well that's not an issue here. I could not believe what I was watching, it's really not far removed from an episode of bang bros. Ok maybe x art. I'm not sure why Kechiche went as far as he did, I'm very curious as to his reasoning. The scenes were so long and so graphic that more than a few members of the Lincoln Center crowd, myself included, started laughing. Reason being that more than a few times you literally think ok they're done, oh no she's back fisting her again. Wait seriously? There's more? It's unreal. I can't possibly believe that the film that I saw tonight is being released in this puritanical country, NC17 or not.

Lastly I was surprised to find the film to be about 3 hours long but it flys by. A really fantastic movie that if you're interested in such things is a lesson of film school.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#33 Post by bainbridgezu » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:10 am

Black Hat wrote:I can't possibly believe that the film that I saw tonight is being released in this puritanical country, NC17 or not.
Update: it's being released in most of this puritanical country.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#34 Post by Jeff » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:47 pm

Finch wrote:Is that the same Kechiche who only a few weeks ago railed that the film should now not be released because it's been "tainted" by the controversy around it?
He has since recanted. I'm beginning to think the "controversy" is a manufactured marketing ploy.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#35 Post by bainbridgezu » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:14 pm

Jeff wrote:
Finch wrote:Is that the same Kechiche who only a few weeks ago railed that the film should now not be released because it's been "tainted" by the controversy around it?
He has since recanted. I'm beginning to think the "controversy" is a manufactured marketing ploy.
I don't doubt it. In that same interview, Kechiche suggests that Seydoux is being fed lines by her handlers. This whole thing has felt like a put-on since the first stirrings of (behind-the-scenes) controversy. It's gotten them all plenty of press, no doubt, but I hope it can be put aside once the film is actually released.

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#36 Post by criterion10 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:40 pm

Quick Question: Does the NC-17 rating mean that even though I am 17, theaters will be unable to let me into the film? An independent theater nearby me will be playing this next month, though I'm afraid that if this is what the rating stipulates, I may not be allowed in.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#37 Post by domino harvey » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:45 pm

Each theatre will have its own internal policy as the rating system is a guideline, not a law. Your best bet would be to call the particular theatre and ask. My understanding is "no one UNDER 17 allowed," meaning you'd be fine, but I don't operate your local cineplex!

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#38 Post by criterion10 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:48 pm

Gotcha. They seem like the sort of theater that won't be too stringent with the guideline, and if I order the tickets in advance online, I should be able to get away with it.

Been very interested to see this one for quite some time now.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#39 Post by Black Hat » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:45 pm

I forgot to mention that Kechiche & Adèle were in attendance the other night where she was even given a very nice introduction by him. The whole thing has seemed to be a case of much ado about nothing.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#40 Post by zedz » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:47 pm

criterion10 wrote:Gotcha. They seem like the sort of theater that won't be too stringent with the guideline, and if I order the tickets in advance online, I should be able to get away with it.
Just turn up to the cinema sporting a few days' stubble and smelling of alcohol: you'll be fine.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#41 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:15 am

I went in completely expecting to get lost in the spell of this film and while it was pretty good overall, I came away disappointed. It's got room for around 30 minutes of cuts (easily), which is sadly ironic because we never quite feel like we were there for the development of the central relationship beyond the initial courtship, a big leap in time, and then its quiet demise. There's something missing when a film finds time to devote 20 minutes plus to nursery school classes being taught by its main character but doesn't seem to have the time to let us live in its lead relationship during its midpoint, which would have been a welcome bit of context for what follows. The heavier moments (aside from an inspired scene in a cafe) aren't nearly as emotional for the viewer as they should be because we're left out of the decomposition, we're only asked to gawk at the carcass once the bones are clean.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#42 Post by tenia » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:59 am

I'll try and translate my general feedback on the movie, which deeply moved me.

It's not so much of a love story movie than a movie about the loneliness of love disappointment and love rejection, which is an underlying theme going through the whole movie.
While I have a couple of mixed feelings about some very small parts of the movie (the social opposition of the 2 families, the clash with the high school friends, Emma's friends which sounds like the most clichéd art students) which seemed to me as avoidable clumsy patches that are only superficially tackled just to be forgotten right after, it's a tremendously natural and realistic movie, which brought me directly back to my own memories.

The 3hrs fly by despite the limitations pointed out by mfunk (the love between Adèle and Emma is much less palpable than their desire for each other), but its core is not there. The core is that pain of not feeling loved, not getting the attention you think you should get from your love interest.
It's more about feeling alone and hurt than loved and joyful, about not being understood (it's clear that Emma doesn't understand that Adèle's vocation is to be a school teacher, and that this alone is enough for Adèle to fulfill herself).

But there's also a lot of beautiful shots when they learn to get closer to each other : wet eyes, wet lips, embarassed smiles and laughs, then the first kisses on a bench on a beautiful afternoon. These scenes are actually much better to express the growing tenderness and desire between Emma and Adèle than any of the 3 sex scenes (the first 5-min long one looks especially clinical and mechanical, and would have better fit a one-night-stand depiction than having sex with the love of your life) which are animalistic, yes, but they show no passion, no love, no tenderness.

It's life, sentimental life in its purest, and a movie that profoundly touched me, and the more I talk about it, the more it's likely to be my #1 2013 movie.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#43 Post by RossyG » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:36 am

bainbridgezu wrote:
Black Hat wrote:I can't possibly believe that the film that I saw tonight is being released in this puritanical country, NC17 or not.
Update: it's being released in most of this puritanical country.
Coming soon to a cinema near you: long queues of fourteen-year-old boys with stick-on moustaches and their dad's raincoat.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#44 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:33 am

Though I have to note that Black Hat is exaggerating - as lesbian sex goes, what's depicted on screen is very vanilla (though passionately depicted, nothing major league is being attempted there with regards to sexual extremity). There's no "fisting."

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#45 Post by tenia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:29 am

mfunk9786 wrote:Though I have to note that Black Hat is exaggerating - as lesbian sex goes, what's depicted on screen is very vanilla (though passionately depicted, nothing major league is being attempted there with regards to sexual extremity). There's no "fisting."
I was also waiting for this scene to check if it was as "extreme" as Black Hat, and as I expected, it wasn't at all. Some licking, some fingering, and that's actually it.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#46 Post by Black Hat » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:05 pm

If that was 'very vanilla' or 'just some licking and fingering' I'd love to hear what would qualify or what kind of lesbian porn you've seen as I think you two live on a different planet than I do. From a cinematic standpoint the centerpiece scene was way too long and took you out of the movie, even the very first solo scene seemed off to me. As far as explicit, they were doing a double sided dildo and yes it wasn't 'fisting' but sans thumb she had her hand all the way in there, he even added the sounds of a soaking wet vagina, good lord. I wonder if when this film is released in Japan they'll blur out their nether regions.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#47 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:33 pm

You know that people like, have sex, right? And that when they don't have penises, they do stuff with their vaginas, and sometimes they get wet, right? And that in a movie that's trying to depict that realistically, that's going to happen? Just because gay sex is being shown doesn't make it automatically some unusual or extreme sexual act, and to describe it as such is sort of crazy - 99 out of 100 sexually active lesbians do exactly what you saw in this film on a regular basis. I'll admit that it was surprising in a movie that's getting released in the US, the way it was staged so openly, but it's not meant to be compared to some porno featuring two straight women nervously flicking their tongues at each others' clitorises.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#48 Post by Matt » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:54 pm

The lesbian author of the graphic novel the film is based on thinks the sex scenes are unconvincing. But you know, no couple has sex the same way as the next, and few have sex exactly the same way every time. It's kind of ridiculous to say "lesbians have sex this way" or "lesbians don't have sex that way," because there are always exceptions. I've always found the sex scenes in Match Point extremely ridiculous and unconvincing, but I haven't heard many others criticize them and so I guess a lot of people like screwing in wet, grassy fields and wearing blindfolds (you are having sex with Scarlett Johansson, why would you wear a blindfold?!?).

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#49 Post by jindianajonz » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:19 pm

Matt wrote: (you are having sex with Scarlett Johansson, why would you wear a blindfold?!?).
The same reason it is wise to wear a blindfold around the Arc of the Covenant.

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Re: Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)

#50 Post by Perkins Cobb » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:32 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:You know that people like, have sex, right?
You know that you're addressing an audience of hardcore film nerds, right?

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