Throw in a re-release of Taste of Cherry, call the whole box Kiarostami's Koker Kwadrilogy, slap a wacky C sticker of zedz saying "I approve of the title of this boxset" on it, and we're talking automatic release of the year!denti alligator wrote:[Friend's Home, Life Goes On, and Olive Trees] would make a killer box set.
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Criterion's announcement of this title was definitely Press Release of the Year for me
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Though the initials of that release would have Nothing setting a new land speed record for Hitler analogies.swo17 wrote:Throw in a re-release of Taste of Cherry, call the whole box Kiarostami's Koker Kwadrilogy, slap a wacky C sticker of zedz saying "I approve of the title of this boxset" on it, and we're talking automatic release of the year!denti alligator wrote:[Friend's Home, Life Goes On, and Olive Trees] would make a killer box set.
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Tried watching the Facets disc last night. Big mistake (couldn't make it 20 minutes in), but it did get me interested.
I wonder if Criterion is going to save anything else from Facets? *coughdekalogcough*
I wonder if Criterion is going to save anything else from Facets? *coughdekalogcough*
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Release of the year. Those screen caps make me feel like I've never seen the movie before.
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Criterion Blu-ray vs. Facets DVD is like Tyson vs. McNeely. Incidentally, why are there no Traveler screen-caps?
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I was wondering the same thing! Maybe they're coming later. Regardless, just looking at the main feature alone tells us this is a monumental event. Huge kudos to Criterion.Cash Flagg wrote:Incidentally, why are there no Traveler screen-caps?
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It's actually a pretty pointless comparison, the CC Blu looks great, but the Facets was dire by even DVD standards, a fairer comparison would be with the excellent R2 UK Soda Pictures DVD version, which was light years better than the awful Facets...Cash Flagg wrote:Criterion Blu-ray vs. Facets DVD is like Tyson vs. McNeely. Incidentally, why are there no Traveler screen-caps?
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Great review.... I was with AK on the boat to the Aran Islands, he had been to dinner in my house the night before, then we did the 3-4hr masterclass the next day after the island trip, me asking the questions JA translating, then AK went to Kilcolgan with cameraman Donal Gilligan, and JA filmed this fascinating piece, A WALK WITH KIAROSTAMI ...
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So The Traveler is 1080i. Any reason why?
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No idea, but between this, Bucking Broadway, and the English-language version of The Leopard, Criterion seem to be setting a precedent of only presenting the main feature in 1080p.
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I'm assuming Bucking Broadway had to do with the frame rate.
The English version of The Leopard doesn't really matter (who actually watches this?).
The English version of The Leopard doesn't really matter (who actually watches this?).
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Is it possible that they could only get an SD master and they just upscaled it? I'm just guessing. Or maybe they didn't think the 16mm material justified the disc space a full 1080p transfer would take up.denti alligator wrote:So The Traveler is 1080i. Any reason why?
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1080i and 1080p would take up the same space. Infact, progressive content can be compressed more effectively than interlaced content.Matt wrote:Is it possible that they could only get an SD master and they just upscaled it? I'm just guessing. Or maybe they didn't think the 16mm material justified the disc space a full 1080p transfer would take up.denti alligator wrote:So The Traveler is 1080i. Any reason why?
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I'm a little peeved that no reviews have posted caps of this, which as far as I'm concerned is NOT an extra feature. Chris, can you tell us what the quality is like? (I'll know myself Thursday - mine just shipped from amazon 2-day)
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I think it looks pretty good all things considered. There are artifacts from the interlacing (jaggies, shimmering, trailing, etc.) but it looks to have been restored decently enough. It also looks to have been boosted a bit, unfortunately. I'm not 100% sure if it's an upscaled transfer, though. If it is then it's a very good one. If not then it looks fairly average. It's bitrate remains in the teens (and this is from checking it from time to time while watching.)
My process for taking grabs is a pain in the ass so I didn't bother, but I'll run it today and take a few.
My process for taking grabs is a pain in the ass so I didn't bother, but I'll run it today and take a few.
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Got my copy today (trial amazon prime is impressive - next day delivery!), and have sampled about 20 minutes of The Traveler. It doesn't look as good as the print I saw at MoMA a few years back, but it look pretty good. I don't see jaggies or other digital problems. I'm quite please to have this.
The source is some company in Tehran. I wonder if that means Criterion could license all of Kiarostami's early films from them. Eclipse box (please!).
The source is some company in Tehran. I wonder if that means Criterion could license all of Kiarostami's early films from them. Eclipse box (please!).
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The jaggies were most noticeable on brick walls and some shirt patterns for me, plus some quick movements presented trailing. I found that aspect disappointing but the condition of the print was far better than I would have thought.
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THE TRAVELLER will have come ultimately from the Institute for the Intellectual Development of Children and Adolescents/Young Adults in Tehran, where Kiarostami did all his early work, so they would be source too for most of his shorts... The Films du Paradoxe DVD of LE PASSAGER/THE TRAVELLER is perfectly fine, has none of the problems mentioned, and they also recently released a double bill of medium length early AK pieces THE WEDDING DRESS & EXPERIENCE.... Might some of the problems on the CC disc, be with them upscaling and downscaling material from the masters (whether SD or HD) between their Blu & DVD releases, and maybe excessive manipulation along the way (might explain those lapses in transfer quality noted by Chris in his RED DESERT DVD review)?...
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English subtitles on these? Or not?ellipsis7 wrote:The Films du Paradoxe DVD of LE PASSAGER/THE TRAVELLER is perfectly fine, has none of the problems mentioned, and they also recently released a double bill of medium length early AK pieces THE WEDDING DRESS & EXPERIENCE
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No, only French subs, Michael, but serves for me anyway...
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I hope the A/V Squad will excuse me if I interject a few thoughts about the film here.
One of the more obvious but nevertheless fascinating aspects of the film, even (if not especially) in its recreations, is what it has to say about the false "reality" of not just documentaries, as the impostor is clearly performing for the cameras at all times-- even the judge calls him out on it! The level of acting is so consistent and effective that it becomes the accepted reality within the depicted reality. But a film revealing the falsity of depicted reality is not so novel an idea, which is why what the film does with that material is so crucial. Kiarostami is not just interested in the situation but the mechanisms inherent in the players that got them involved, the very nature of cinematic art and our relationship to that art, be it as spectators or creative participants. How great is that somewhat pathetic final sequence, with the impostor taking direction from the man he longed to be, and becoming as subservient as the family he fooled? That it took the real director to bring about the happy ending isn't as interesting as that the players all reverted back to the subservience to art that got them all into the situation to begin with. What's the difference if it's real when both fiction and actuality produced indistinguishable results?
One of the more obvious but nevertheless fascinating aspects of the film, even (if not especially) in its recreations, is what it has to say about the false "reality" of not just documentaries, as the impostor is clearly performing for the cameras at all times-- even the judge calls him out on it! The level of acting is so consistent and effective that it becomes the accepted reality within the depicted reality. But a film revealing the falsity of depicted reality is not so novel an idea, which is why what the film does with that material is so crucial. Kiarostami is not just interested in the situation but the mechanisms inherent in the players that got them involved, the very nature of cinematic art and our relationship to that art, be it as spectators or creative participants. How great is that somewhat pathetic final sequence, with the impostor taking direction from the man he longed to be, and becoming as subservient as the family he fooled? That it took the real director to bring about the happy ending isn't as interesting as that the players all reverted back to the subservience to art that got them all into the situation to begin with. What's the difference if it's real when both fiction and actuality produced indistinguishable results?