497-500 Roberto Rossellini's War Trilogy
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I think that it's either from that Rice Q&A or from that big documentary by Carlo Lizzani...
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Specifically.. I scrolled through the bulk of everything and can't find it. If someone knows exactly it'd be a great help.
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Ahhhhh. . . . . At last.
Thats exactly it D, thanks much. I thought I'd never find it.
I'll bring this up here because 1) you'll probly get a kick out of hearing it, and 2) no other film on the face of the earth could be more incongruous to this thread:
Based on your championing of the film elsewhere, I gave a second look to The Mesa of Lost Women. Dude there are so many sublime moments in that film too numerous to count. To think that it was photographed by Karl Struss of SUNRISE ( plus so much chaplin and much much more) as well as Paul Leni's ace cameraman Gilbert Warrenton makes it all the better. Parentheses and ellipses and tales within tales.. Coogan as cyclopsish Frank..
" I call her tarantella.."
Thats exactly it D, thanks much. I thought I'd never find it.
I'll bring this up here because 1) you'll probly get a kick out of hearing it, and 2) no other film on the face of the earth could be more incongruous to this thread:
Based on your championing of the film elsewhere, I gave a second look to The Mesa of Lost Women. Dude there are so many sublime moments in that film too numerous to count. To think that it was photographed by Karl Struss of SUNRISE ( plus so much chaplin and much much more) as well as Paul Leni's ace cameraman Gilbert Warrenton makes it all the better. Parentheses and ellipses and tales within tales.. Coogan as cyclopsish Frank..
" I call her tarantella.."
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Wrote this meandering essay after visiting Rome and thinking about Rossellini's films.
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New resto of PAISA showing at Venice (sezione Venezia Classici)... Maybe will allow a decent Blu Ray upgrade...
Progetto Rossellini
Il Progetto Rossellini ha visto cooperare Cineteca Nazionale, Cineteca di Bologna, Cinecittà Luce e Coproduction Office in un piano di restauro digitale complessivo di una parte centrale, e fondamentale, della filmografia di Roberto Rossellini, nella sua promozione e diffusione a livello mondiale. La Mostra di Venezia presenta quest'anno il restauro di uno dei più importanti capolavori del maestro italiano, Paisà.
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In theory, I had watched Rome Open City before. So I skipped it at first, because who can forget that image of the Mother being shot down in the street and her son flying to her body (and how can you forget it when it's referenced so often)? I later went back and watched the whole thing and discovered that this is a film I slept through most of in college, I suspect it was one of those nefarious pre-noon classes, I remember about half of the first part of the film, but thought the film ended when part one ended. I had no recollection of Part II, which has been my loss.
From having watched both box sets in last couple months, This film stands head and shoulders above the rest (though some of the other films are phenomenal) as Rossellini's masterpiece. The vital urgency of the story, of the filmmaking grabbed me to a degree matched only by Bicycle Thieves of the neo realist films. The whole production is stunning and the story is uncompromising, it feels like a lightning bolt in world cinema, I can absolutely see why it was such a shock and success. Wow.
Germany Year Zero is nearly equal. It is not quite up there, the performances are not quite as good, the script is a little more preachy. You can sense Rossellini is being drawn artistically in the direction of pulling the moral more front and center, as he did later in Europe 51. Still, the film is mesmerizing throughout, and a stunning piece of work.
Paisan I was slightly disappointed in, but only because it doesn't quite measure up to the other two. The anthology structure is very nice, it gives the film a unique rhythm and each segment is so well done within the pacing of it's own story. There were things to love in each conception, and there are different bits of Rossellini it seems in each pod. The sweep and scope of the battlefront is brilliantly handled, he manages to boil epic stories down to the human hearts and the blood and sinew binding peoples together. Striking, and wonderful.
From having watched both box sets in last couple months, This film stands head and shoulders above the rest (though some of the other films are phenomenal) as Rossellini's masterpiece. The vital urgency of the story, of the filmmaking grabbed me to a degree matched only by Bicycle Thieves of the neo realist films. The whole production is stunning and the story is uncompromising, it feels like a lightning bolt in world cinema, I can absolutely see why it was such a shock and success. Wow.
Germany Year Zero is nearly equal. It is not quite up there, the performances are not quite as good, the script is a little more preachy. You can sense Rossellini is being drawn artistically in the direction of pulling the moral more front and center, as he did later in Europe 51. Still, the film is mesmerizing throughout, and a stunning piece of work.
Paisan I was slightly disappointed in, but only because it doesn't quite measure up to the other two. The anthology structure is very nice, it gives the film a unique rhythm and each segment is so well done within the pacing of it's own story. There were things to love in each conception, and there are different bits of Rossellini it seems in each pod. The sweep and scope of the battlefront is brilliantly handled, he manages to boil epic stories down to the human hearts and the blood and sinew binding peoples together. Striking, and wonderful.
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Added to this, the Janus Films poster for the new 4K resto of ROMA, CITTA APERTA, surely points to a BR upgrade of the complete WAR TRILOGY by Criterion...ellipsis7 wrote:New resto of PAISA showing at Venice (sezione Venezia Classici)... Maybe will allow a decent Blu Ray upgrade...
Progetto Rossellini
Il Progetto Rossellini ha visto cooperare Cineteca Nazionale, Cineteca di Bologna, Cinecittà Luce e Coproduction Office in un piano di restauro digitale complessivo di una parte centrale, e fondamentale, della filmografia di Roberto Rossellini, nella sua promozione e diffusione a livello mondiale. La Mostra di Venezia presenta quest'anno il restauro di uno dei più importanti capolavori del maestro italiano, Paisà.
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Upgrade coming
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MSRP for the Blu-ray is $100, guess those $80 boxes truly are a thing of the past (even though this was one of them on DVD...)
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I guess I can stop holding out on this now after 7 1/2 years...
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Is the Criterion Blu going to include L'Amore? If not, that BFI set I got on eBay for $26 last week is going to seem like an even better deal.
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Not listed under the extras, so unless something changes, NOPE.Perkins Cobb wrote:Is the Criterion Blu going to include L'Amore? If not, that BFI set I got on eBay for $26 last week is going to seem like an even better deal.
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Going by the screencaps, Criterion's disc looks a little bit too dark. I think this has been covered here many times before, they like to make their discs a bit darker with greater contrast.
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On the other end, the BFI disc was too bright (even more surprisingly so because the 2 other movies didn't show this lighter grading). I suppose the right grading was somewhere in between.
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Beaver
Verdict does seem to be overall the Criterion improves on the PQ of the BFI release, albeit marginally.
Verdict does seem to be overall the Criterion improves on the PQ of the BFI release, albeit marginally.
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I have to say that Germany Year Zero doesn't look that great from the caps.Ribs wrote:Beaver
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Yes, it is surprising that Criterion's Germany Year Zero does not use the latest restoration, while the other two do.
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So, to Svet, this is pretty much equivalent with "minor but perhaps obvious discrepancies" ? Not to say one seems superior to the other, there seems to be some trade-offs between the BFI and the Criterion, but the differences between the 2 seem more on the obvious side than the minor one to me.
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It looks terrible.Apperson wrote:I have to say that Germany Year Zero doesn't look that great from the caps.Ribs wrote:Beaver
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Yikes! Jesus, I glanced at this on my phone and wasn't sure what the problem was, but now that I'm seeing it in full size on a normal screen, it's pretty obvious. Grain looks horrible, it's like comparing creamed corn to fine sand.tenia wrote:So, to Svet, this is pretty much equivalent with "minor but perhaps obvious discrepancies" ? Not to say one seems superior to the other, there seems to be some trade-offs between the BFI and the Criterion, but the differences between the 2 seem more on the obvious side than the minor one to me.
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So basically
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Well, it seems quite variable on both discs, so some shots could be better on one disc, and other shots on the other.hearthesilence wrote: Yikes! Jesus, I glanced at this on my phone and wasn't sure what the problem was, but now that I'm seeing it in full size on a normal screen, it's pretty obvious. Grain looks horrible, it's like comparing creamed corn to fine sand.
My issue is more with Svet saying there are only minor differences between the 2 while they seem actually quite different on many aspects.
My 1st example shows a clear-cut with the BFI as a definite winner (more info in the frame, cleaner, sharper, and the Criterion is black crushed) but (as Minkin pointed out to me) the 2nd one shows the BFI as too soft and too dull (gamma issue ?) and the last one shows the Criterion as potentially sharper than the BFI.
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Variable perhaps, but the caps on the Criterion disc never get better than that first cap tenia linked to - the grain itself just never looks that good, it's about as good as any standard-def DVD of a similar vintage film can look had it been upscaled to your TV.