The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#51 Post by zedz » Mon May 11, 2020 9:03 pm

Saturnome wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:38 pm
I'm intrigued by "Rare footage from unfinished features and commercials". I only know of one unfinished feature by her?
Tout(e) Varda included footage for the 1966 Christmas Carol, starring a very young Gerard Depardieu (it seems that Varda discovered him - he also appears in Nausicaa), and a couple of ads, as I recall (one for Tupperware).

As I recall, there's also material from an earlier feature (pre-Cleo), but I don't think any actual footage was shot for that.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#52 Post by RitrovataBlue » Mon May 11, 2020 11:07 pm

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Mon May 11, 2020 6:50 pm
Does most/all color HD restorations of her films have the piss color grading? Looking at reviews from different companies (Criterion Vagabond & One Sings, Cinelicious Jane B. Par Agnès V. /Kung Fu Master set) It seems to be liberally applied. Part of me is considering keeping the Tout(e) Varda box if this is the case.
The AE One Sings... release features the same unfortunate color timing as the Criterion. That said, it’s less egregious than what has been done to much of Fassbinder’s work on Blu. It’s unfortunate that the twilight of physical media happens to coincide with the garish color timing restoration trend. Hopefully, these films will be restored and released again by someone, someday. In the mean time, I’m just happy that we’ll have all of Varda’s work in one box, even if it isn’t entirely optimal.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#53 Post by criterionoop » Mon May 11, 2020 11:16 pm

Question: Varda approved the restorations for her films and for Demy’s films, and I believe did the color grading, correct? Or at least ONE SINGS says that she did the grading, which I assume she did for all her films since Cine Tamaris restored all the films.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#54 Post by tenia » Tue May 12, 2020 3:01 am

Many many restorations (in general) have been approved by someone from the movie team, yet bear a color signature much more consistent with the laboratory's habit than the DoP, director or whatever.

This has been especially the case with Ritrovata (yellow), Eclair (cold blue) and Digimages (yellow) when they're given not only the scan and restoration to perform but also the grading. There are also that crazy person at Fox who turned their color movies all blue (Wild River, Desk Set, etc) and Paramount have a certain recognizable way to want their movies graded. When you can tell where the movie was restored before anything else, that's telling, and it's sadly the case with many of those movies (probably hundreds now).

I still have no idea about what those reference people are approving exactly and when they are called in during the color grading workflow.

EDIT : I found some restoration cards from the AE set, which are likely to be the restorations used by Criterion (a given for One Sings) :
Jacquot de Nantes : 4K scan/2K restoration, Digimages, 2013, OCN, grading supervised by Varda
Sans toit ni loi : 2K, Eclair, 2014, OCN, grading supervised by Varda & Patrick Blossier
L'une chante l'autre pas : 2K, Eclair, 2014, OCN, grading supervised by Varda & DP Charlie Van Damme
Le bonheur : 2K, Eclair, 2014, OCN, grading supervised by Varda
Cléo de 5 à 7 : 2K, Digimages, 2012, OCN, grading supervised by Varda

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#55 Post by hearthesilence » Tue May 12, 2020 11:44 am

I thought I may have posted this here, but I attended several films at Lincoln Center's Varda retrospective this winter - all of them were from the restorations used for this set, and while one (maybe two?) films did have that unfortunate color grading that's become too familiar, the others looked perfectly fine. Since the opening cards indicated when and where the restorations were done, it's possible that info may offer a clue for the change.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#56 Post by Saturnome » Tue May 12, 2020 2:49 pm

zedz wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:03 pm
Saturnome wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:38 pm
I'm intrigued by "Rare footage from unfinished features and commercials". I only know of one unfinished feature by her?
Tout(e) Varda included footage for the 1966 Christmas Carol, starring a very young Gerard Depardieu (it seems that Varda discovered him - he also appears in Nausicaa), and a couple of ads, as I recall (one for Tupperware)
That's the one! Her other unfinished projects never went to the shooting stage, but I may be wrong. And yes, if I remember right, Depardieu simply used to babysit her children!

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#57 Post by furbicide » Tue May 12, 2020 8:42 pm

I'm absolutely kicking myself for dropping $70-odd dollars on the "Varda in California" Eclipse set just a week ago! This set looks amazing, and I'm particularly enraptured with the special features (an area in which the Bergman set, for instance, disappointed).

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#58 Post by dwk » Fri May 22, 2020 9:54 pm

A poster over at the Blu-ray.com forum said that emailed Criterion to ask if this is going to be region free and they told him yes.


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#60 Post by Calvin » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:42 pm

Gary has updated the review to confirm that it's region free.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#61 Post by senseabove » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:53 pm

Vagabo...ooze?

It's less noticeable on Cleo, but for the pixel pickers amongst us, seems like Criterion bested AE on these encodes. AE seems to have gone a little heavy on the DNR for Vagabond... Compare Bonnaire's sweater in the first captures, the flattened hair at the neckline on Bonnaire's left in the third set, and the macro-blocking on the policeman's back in the fourth set.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#62 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:49 am

Saw the restoration of Vagabond used for this release in the theater (DCP) and I don’t think anyone will have a complaint to speak of. Outside of the opening credits, it looks like it was filmed yesterday. Would also add, uselessly, that it’s the best Varda film I’ve seen.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#63 Post by senseabove » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:52 am

Yes, the restoration itself is great. Just mentioning edition quibbles, as folks do around here, and probably trying to convince myself that the Criterion box is worth picking up eventually despite my already having the AE box, the Arbelos double feature, and the Eclipse set...

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#64 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:34 pm

I just went through the screen caps, and from what the Beev posted, there's four where it's really noticeable:

1) The paint splattered wall (you see it in the texture of the wall, and to the left where you see the people in the out-of-focus background)
2) The older man in the cap talking with the police
3) The out-of-focus ocean in the background where she's hitchhiking at golden hour time (but it's only noticeable in the ocean)
4) The final cap comparison with that woman talking to the interviewer behind the camera, where on Criterion's set it almost looks like the woman has acne scars when it's really very coarse grain

Had it just been the other caps posted, I would have said there was no apparent difference in grain management.

Anyway, in the four cases listed above, it's probably negligible, and except maybe for #2 virtually unnoticeable if you're watching the screen from a comfortable viewpoint - if you look really close like a few inches from the screen, it's apparent, but honestly, are you going to comfortably watch a film like that?

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#66 Post by Saturnome » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:50 am

Still no signs of La cocotte d'Azur, Les enfants du musée or La petite histoire de Gwen la bretonne in this "complete" set.
La cocotte d'Azur is Varda being mean, which is quite unusual. Les enfants du musée is a cute short, only essential in order to see early Varda do late Varda.

Les fiancés du pont MacDonald look upscaled and will look better in Cleo. Some films look real bad, look at Documenteur how it's all video noise and compression. Ugh. Others are looking excellent. Simon Cinema is looking very fine (while being maybe her worst film).

Daguerrotype is very, very yellow...

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#67 Post by Grand Wazoo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:05 am

Wow, it looks like nearly every non-video color film has been Eclaired/Ritrovataed to some degree.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#68 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:14 pm

Saturnome wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:50 am
Daguerrotype is very, very yellow...
That's very surprising because I saw this at the Varda retrospective at Lincoln Center, and it did NOT look like that - it was a natural and neutral color palette.

It is a great film by the way, an astonishing display of Varda's enormous and deceptively modest gift to see so much in humanity while making a film that was more or less an attempt to keep working when she couldn't leave her own block due to Mathieu's recent birth. It's very disappointing that we're fortunate enough to get an HD presentation for home viewing, only to have this done to it.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#69 Post by cdnchris » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:05 am

All of the supplements on the set are now indexed here.

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Re: The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

#70 Post by tenia » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:19 am

Grand Wazoo wrote:Wow, it looks like nearly every non-video color film has been Eclaired/Ritrovataed to some degree.
Not suprising, sadly, considering who performed most of those restorations and when.

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